Prove things exist

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  1. Black Squirrel

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    The internet (and gaming press) like to make up facts, and some occasionally find their way onto our wikis. So as not to clog up the general questions topic: prove these things exist:


    I've been going through the List of unreleased Dreamcast games - there are a lot, because people like to assume anything made between 1999 and 2002 was once Dreamcast-bound. According to us, their existence is supposedly confirmed by various eastern European magazines, but I fear it might be mistranslations from Western media, which in turn were making assumptions. That might be worth documenting in itself, but I dunno, doesn't seem right to group misconceptions with facts, which is what we're essentially doing here.

    (I haven't checked absolutely everything yet)
    - Anachronox (this seems to be more "we're thinking about it" than doing actual development)
    - Blood II: The Chosen
    - Conflict: Desert Storm
    - Daikatana (press speculation?)
    - Earthworm Jim 3D
    - Experience
    - Flying Heroes
    - Freelancer (prequel, StarLancer was Dreamcast bound)
    - Hello Kitty's Cube Frenzy - (speculation?)
    - Hoyle Casino 5 (is this just Hoyle Casino?)
    - Invictus: In the Shadow of Olympus
    - Manxx 2
    - MechWarrior 4: Vengeance
    - Nascar Heat
    - Oni
    - Panorama Cotton 2
    - Rune
    - Seed
    - Sega GT 2002
    - Septerra Core
    - Severance: Blade of Darkness
    - Shinobi (2002) (I already made a "no" judgement on this one, but I could be wrong!)
    - Sudden Strike
    - Tonic Adventure
    - Tonic Trouble
    - Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 (released for literally everything but Dreamcast (including N64 in 2002!) but no mention in press releases)
    - Toy Fighter (getting confused with the NAOMI version?)
    - Warzone 2100

    Wikipedia (among others) claim some of these were unreleased Dreamcast games (without sources)
     
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    Maybe we need some kind of standard of source to qualify as an unreleased game? Such as just using primary sources (not vague and at best secondary sources from magazines which had no access to primary sources). Clearly very few magazines outside of Japan, US, UK, France, and Germany actually did original reporting back then instead of just translating (or inventing) news from a primary source. If the news was real then it should be possible to trace it back to the primary source, or if they independently obtained that info (such as an interview), then it should be clearly noted as such. For example, Hong Kong magazine Game Players DC seems to largely base it's news off of Japanese magazines, but it also has some original content such as an interview with Yuji Naka. So if Yuji Naka mentioned an unreleased game in that interview, then that seems like a good source, however, if they just randomly mention a game as coming to Dreamcast in the news section, without naming a primary source, then I wouldn't consider that reliable enough to create a game page (but maybe there could be a "rumoured unreleased" general page we could mention it on.)
     
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    This is kind-of what I was thinking, though perhaps an "unconfirmed" flag to separate the pages would do the job more elegantly. Not sure.

    Though either way I need to know which games need flagging.
     
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    Grand Prix 3's planned Dreamcast port was covered in an Italian Dreamcast magazine, they seemingly just used PC screenshots though:

    https://www.unracedf1.com/grand-prix-3-on-the-sega-dreamcast/

    There was a 2000 Season expansion pack released in August 2001, apparently this might have been the version planned for the DC. Geoff Crammond is a bit of an elusive figure these days so asking him for clarity is probably a non-starter.

    (On a sidenote, the sequel Grand Prix 4 also got announced for the XBox but was also never released on the console. I recall reading a while back that there were issues getting the game running at full-spec - the PC version was infamous for its high system requirements. Hasbro then closed down Microprose UK and that was that).
     
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    Just had a quick look through the final issues of Dreamcast Magazine (UK).

    In issue 24, page 10. Sega lays out their strategic plans and which studios are doing what - no mention of Shinobi (2002)

    In issue 22, page 8, it seems to me as if Sega GT 2002 was announced as an Xbox exclusive

    In issue 19, page 16, the magazine is speculating that Freelancer might be heading to Dreamcast, but it's clear that it's just wishful thinking.

    Note to self: Issue 17, page 16 has details about Headhunter's use of the VMU as a virtual beeper outside of the game, which I was looking for a while back
     
  7. Black Squirrel

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    Thanks Mr. Tom Hall. Also for Commander Keen.

    Category:Unreleased Dreamcast game myths

    I've made it so adding "| myth=yes" to an UnreleasedBob template shoves pages into categories like these. It's a bit strange documenting what is essentially just poor journalism but I guess it'll stop pages being re-added.

    p.s. it's early in the morning and I haven't woken up yet - if there's a better naming scheme let me know.
     
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    I'd hazard a guess that it was Dreamcast Monthly perpetuating a good chunk of these myths. I guess without an official license or a big publisher behind its back, it was forced to go hunting for stories, and printed any fun-looking rumour it could find. On the plus side, this means interviews with small-time developers which nobody else bothered with, but it does mean they're not a bastion of reliability.
     
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