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PROSONIC IS NOW OPEN SOURCE

Discussion in 'Fangaming Discussion' started by saxman, Jul 16, 2008.

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  1. muteKi

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    This would mean that an already built hack from a split disassembly could have its art imported easily. When the ROM gets built, all the layout and art offsets are changed, after all.
     
  2. Moogle!

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    Hey, this release coincides with my birthday. Too bad I'm not a coder. :D
     
  3. Nibble

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    One week left!

    And I don't think you need to be a coder to mess around with the engine. To make objects, yes, but not to make levels/art.
     
  4. saxman

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    My testers have all said to me they don't like the (in so many words) lack of ease-of-use with the internal editor. I'll be trying to get that squared away in these last 7 days.
     
  5. so how does the tile editor work? Is it as anywhere as complicated as Esreals sonic editor? Because the people who are just going to use this for fan games probably don't want to deal with 8by8 tiles and 16by16 tiles.
     
  6. Hez

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    its no big deal to me, I work well with both. I suppose the rest of the fan-gamer community probably hasn't though. I could be just one of those wierd ones.
     
  7. Chimpo

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    No, you're sane. Everyone else is retarded.
     
  8. saxman

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    Solidity editor:

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    Collision, as seen above, is visible in the engine.

    Bright red has barrier collision (wall and ceiling), but is not a platform.
    Dark red has no barrier collision, and it is not a platform
    White has barrier collision, and it is a platform.
    Grey has no barrier collision, but it is a platform.

    You can modify it in real-time just like the other stuff.
     
  9. JcFerggy

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    So basically as SonEd would put it, L/R/B Solid, Not Solid, All Solid, and Top Solid?
     
  10. saxman

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    Yeah, except I don't like SonED's terminology in regards to that. I will be using the barrier and platform to describe them in my engine's documentation.
     
  11. Tweaker

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    That might not be a good idea... it's bound to do little more than cause confusion. When a standard is established, you follow it, not try and branch off it; the latter is more likely to fail and discourage working with your engine.
     
  12. saxman

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    I see no evidence that changing a couple terms will make the difference between working with my engine and not working with it. The documentation will be detailed enough where people will understand things. I think L/R/B Solid is more confusing than barrier. I had to actually think about L/R/B when JC mentioned it at first because I hadn't played with SonED in years. After about 5 seconds, I understood what it was. But imagine someone who has never been into ROM hacking and doesn't know this stuff. I think barrier, given a description of it, will be a friendlier term. I don't consider L/R/B solid a standard of any kind. I tend to make my own rules with regards to these things when I don't agree with other methods.
     
  13. jman2050

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    L/R/B = solid from the left, the right, and the bottom. I'm not sure how that's supposed to be difficult to understand.

    But hey, your program, you can do what you want with it.
     
  14. Tweaker

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    Well, I consider myself above average in terms of knowledge with the Sonic engine, and I don't understand your terminology at all. Maybe that's enough food for thought, I don't know, but SonED2's terminology makes perfect sense to me given context. In the context you've given, I still don't really get what any of it means.
     
  15. saxman

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    You guys miss a key point here -- you're ROM hackers that have used this stuff. This engine won't just be for ROM hackers, it'll be pushed in the general fan gaming scene. I say L/R/B is more confusing that barrier. To you guys my term is more confusing because you're already used to L/R/B. I have also met people in the past when SonED was a newer program that didn't understand the term and asked me about it. These people were new to ROM hacking. Barrier is a term most people know the meaning of -- it's an obstacle you can't penetrate. So I like barrier.
     
  16. muteKi

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    Makes sense, but it would be good if somewhere you could make an easy reference for those familiar with SonEd's terminology.
     
  17. GasparXR

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    Seconded.

    Terminology bitching aside, it's colour-coded quite well, shouldn't be hard to get the hang of.
     
  18. Hez

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    I like the color code, but the L/R/B type is kind of better. I don't ever use SonED and I understood that better right off the bat.
     
  19. Chimpo

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    L/R/B is an established standard?

    This is no more confusing than X, Square, Circle, Triangle and B, A, X, Y. Stop making a big deal out of nothing.
     
  20. Tweaker

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    Yes, since SonED introduced it years ago. Not like it's complicated to understand, anyway.
     
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