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New Sonic 2 development lore drop - Genocide/Cyber City palette and art!

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  1. HEDGESMFG

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    Wow, there's a lot more going on in this stage than you'd expect. If I heard correctly, there were 3 acts separate from Metropolis? The fans had a reversing gravity effect on the stage?

    Could this stage have been the original predecessor to Death Egg? Could that even explain the original name choice, "Genocide" leads to "Death"? Could elements of this stage have been recycled into Death Egg in S3&K?
     
  2. Huh, so they said if $24,000 is raised tomorrow then Act 2 will be released. The guy with the unkempt beard on the couch was mildly annoying during Frank's presentation, interjecting with either what Frank just said or with factually incorrect information.

    Also I saw some screenshots posted here, are they just screenshots from the stream or are the scanned images out there somewhere beyond this event? Given this is VGHF I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they're saved, but I wanted to be sure instead of assuming.
     
  3. saxman

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    Really neat to see this. Never saw THREE acts coming. Maybe act 2 resembles Metropolis act 3. Or, maybe none of them do, and we'll have another grand mystery on our hands.

    One thing though: I didn't interpret the map as having anti-gravity mechanics at all. I assumed that graphic of Sonic was upside-down showing him twirling as he floats above the fans. So is the anti-gravity thing confirmed, or just a mere interpretation?
     
  4. DefinitiveDubs

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    It does show Sonic walking on the ceiling, if you look closely. At least it looks that way to me.
     
  5. Well, they did say they wanted a name that gave a "Dangerous" Vibe... so yeah makes sense.

    So that's where the rotational turrets in WFZ came from!
     
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  6. DefinitiveDubs

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    That must be these fans here.
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  7. saxman

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    I just realized something. "Genocide City 1 Zone" could have been zone ID 0E acts 1 and 2. "Genocide City 2 Zone" then would have been zone ID 0F, act 3.
     
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  8. Ura

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    The three acts might explain why there are two differente Genocide Cities on one of Yasuhara's maps, assuming that each label on the map contained only two acts of course

    edit: Of course someone already made that observation first, I should've finish reading the last few posts first lol
     
  9. Pengi

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    That room at the end reminds me of the section from S&K's Death Egg Zone Act 1.



    ^ 1m 16s

    It could have been very different mechanically, but fans blowing Sonic from side to side while a cylindrical object moves up and down in the center is a similar concept.
     
  10. E-122-Psi

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    The layout admitedly looks rather ambitious in areas. It adds some logic to why a supposed repaint of Metropolis would ultimately not make the cut (admitedly Hill Top is similar, it's unique gimmicks like the tremors sometimes make you forget it's an Emerald Hill retool).
     
  11. Sparks

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    Man, I really hope whoever takes it upon themselves to try and reconstruct this stage in a Sonic 2 ROM is capable of coding all the gimmicks needed to come to its full vision.
     
  12. Black Squirrel

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    Where are the high quality scans - are the high quality scans coming?
     
  13. Nik Pi

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    Agreed. Current map deserves 9 f*ckin jackals of 9
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  14. Fleeksteek

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    There's already a mod for the color palette and music of Cyber City in S2A, it's only a matter of time.
     
  15. Nik Pi

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    Currently we have a Hez's chunkset recreation, Hachelle-Bee's long version, and, probably yes, anniversary edition can be updated for this information

    EDIT: Sonic 2: Unlimited also exists. It's so perfect that I hate it :p
     
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  16. Hez

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    With the engine I put it in, I'm just waiting for a higher quality scan of the numbers so I can paste them into the level layout. It shouldn't take more than two seconds as long as the scan is good enough for something to convert it to copy/pasteable numbers.
     
  17. DefinitiveDubs

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    Does anyone have the full interview/quote about how Cyber City morphed into Metropolis Act 3? Maybe we misread wording somewhere. Maybe only Genocide Act 3 turned into Metropolis Act 3.

    And if that's the case, and a three-act zone was always intended for the final pre-Death Egg level, I'm starting to think that by the time the Simon Wai build was made, it had already been decided that Metropolis would be the final stage. Or maybe when Genocide was dropped, they had a free slot and just decided to shove what they had working into Metropolis. I don't know.
     
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  18. Nik Pi

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    Engine? It will be fangame? Not romhack?
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  19. Fleeksteek

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    I was referring to Sonic 2 Absolute. It's basically the 2013 decomp with extra bells and whistles. You can see the mod I was talking about here.
     
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  20. saxman

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    My thoughts are that both Genocide City and Metropolis exist on that level select menu. This is something I had pointed to earlier, because if the level became Metropolis act 3, why would Genocide City still exist on the menu?

    The newest level introduced in Simon Wai was Neo Green Hill. That took the assumed "Genocide City 2 Zone" slot of 0F. That's why Genocide City is listed as having two acts. One of those acts became Metropolis act 3, and the 0F slot was repurchased.

    So why would they do this? I am guessing the 0F version of Genocide City was different somehow. Maybe it had a slightly different set of chunks. If you look at that image of what is presented as "act 3", some chunks obviously look out of place. Maybe they were changed.

    Although that map was *not* what became act 3 of Metropolis. So this is all still confusing. But I am hoping when we get the rest of the assets, and hopefully high-quality scans, this will start to add up a bit more.