NEC Retro returns

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  1. Black Squirrel

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    Hey remember NEC Retro, that wiki set up a few years ago to handle NEC video game-related topics? Remember how it stopped working, and then disappeared entirely? Well great news,

    It got fixed.


    NEC Retro is the weird stepchild of the Retro family, conceived almost as a personal challenge to a small handful of people, because the Western world doesn't understand NEC's gaming hardware. Chances are you didn't grow up with a PC Engine or TurboGrafx-16, the PC-FX is a historical footnote and NEC's lines of home computers are a well-shrouded mystery, if you even know they exist. And this is why I was keen to see this wiki happen, because it's uncharted territory and you might find something genuinely interesting.

    Like XZR, the 2D platformer/RPG combo where you play as a time-travelling, drug taking Islamic assassin who has to murder the both leaders of the USA and Soviet Union to win.


    Anyway because NEC Retro hasn't been editable since September 2019, and was already missing dozens of features on Sega (and even Sonic) Retro, I don't know exactly what state it's in. I might be able to fix some of the bugs and make the wiki more presentable, or migrate some features from Sega Retro. And of course, if you're sick of Sega and want to help make this wiki better, the list of things to do is long.

    And spoilers: nobody knows anything about this subject - that's the point.
     
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    I kinda thought it was set up to store scans or something.
     
  3. MykonosFan

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    As one of the many people that know nothing about anything to do with this, this is very exciting!
     
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  4. nineko

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    Not meaning to overstep, but, shouldn't this be more appropriate in the "Announcements" section since it's, well, an announcement? And a pretty important one at that, too.
     
  5. MykonosFan

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    I can get behind that.
     
  6. Black Squirrel

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    It's basically "undocumented games: the wiki".

    My world vierw is, if you grew up with Nintendo or a PlayStation or an Xbox, you might find yourself locked into a closed ecosphere where all you're doing is chasing the next Mario or Halo or whatever. If you grew up with Sega though, you were forced to diversify after the Dreamcast - you try a bit of everything, find everybody is "wrong" and end up with an appreciation (or distaste) for gaming as a whole. So even though very few of us have any NEC gaming experience, we're more likely to care, because PC Engine fans, like Sega fans, have no console rallying point anymore.

    Also the PC Engine turns up everywhere and 1980s Japanese home computers are still influencing game design to this day. Which is probably why I got behind it - I was sick of finding dead ends.


    I'm not sure I could ever get too excited about a "Nintendo Retro" - people would just gravitate around the Marios and Zeldas and it would be a bit of a boring read. I was in that world for a bit - a place where Donkey Kong Country 3 is "obscure" because it sold only a couple of million units, as opposed to tens or hundreds of millions (I genuinely saw someone claim this once). But I'm also British and we like an underdog - I like the idea of upsetting the balance of power by documenting an unpopular system better than the super mainstream guff the internet has worshiped for 20+ years.


    Anyway two days in and it's already bearing some fruit - there's a Japanese Mega-CD game, Cosmic Fantasy Stories that we knew nothing about - turns out it's a compilation of this and this. I probably wouldn't have learnt that any time soon of NEC Retro hadn't existed.
     
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    wiki stuff... and a beer... or two... or more...
    We would probably have a nervous breakdown and die of exhaustion... :)
     
  8. Black Squirrel

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    Yes a few pages/templates/files have unexpectedly disappeared - the histories remain so you might be able to restore some, but I've seen the software get confused.

    I've reported the bug.
     
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    It also looks like CAPTCHAs aren't set up correctly.
     
  10. nineko

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    Speaking of captchas, can they be disabled (on Sonic Retro I mean) at least for trusted members (e.g. techies and oldbies)? Creating the page about that Lego set was a pain.
     
  11. MykonosFan

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    I had this same issue trying to create an account.
     
  12. Black Squirrel

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    I've got a partial solution to this, though whether it will break restoration efforts later I don't know.

    Delete the page, then re-create it. You lose the history but most of these things didn't really have one.

    I don't know how to get files back though. Most of this category is lying but if, as expected, there are hundreds of missing files, we'll have to delete and re-upload things unless a better solution is found. I'm not super keen on that much work.
     
  13. I've made a start at listing the missing pages here. It's not complete yet, but it should contain all missing templates and most missing files.

    Would it be possible to delete the broken template pages? I'm willing to recreate these myself, but I don't have the relevant permissions to delete them. (Restoring the missing files can wait for someone else for now)
     
  14. Black Squirrel

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    Missing files.

    There's an awkwardness to how Mediawiki deals with files - when you upload it does two things:

    - it physically creates a file on disk
    - it creates a page as a "description" of the file

    e.g.
    https://segaretro.org/images/b/be/Flashback_MD_PlanetTitan.png
    vs.
    https://segaretro.org/File:Flashback_MD_PlanetTitan.png


    The errors we're seeing on NEC Retro are missing file pages (or more specifically, the original versions (revision #0) of those pages). Sometimes the file itself still exists... but sometimes it doesn't.

    Expecting that there wasn't going to be an admin for days/weeks/months/years I answered the software's call and uploaded a replacement image:
    https://necretro.org/File:Bomberman_PCE_JP_Box_Front.jpg
    and look - the old image has popped up in the history. But the page doesn't exist and complains in a similar manner to what we've seen elsewhere.

    https://necretro.org/File:Bomberman_PCE_JP_Card_Back.jpg
    but this one had no history nor a page.


    Unless someone pokes GerbilSoft or we hire more technical admins which I've been talking about for years, it's probably going to be quicker just to delete everything, rather than dick around trying to find old revisions of files that may or may not exist.
     
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