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Naoto Ohshima's art that inspired Sonic's animations and more...

Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by MasterDreamcaster, Jan 20, 2023.

  1. McAleeCh

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    Really interesting! Given that the baseball bat and goblin type enemies survived unchanged into the Sonic concept, it's fascinating to see more of the enemies that were conceived at a similar time period to those. Wonder if they were all still considered for inclusion until the "nightmare world" concept was dropped? Also interesting that the Green Hill style surroundings are recognisable even at this early pre-Sonic stage, complete with the iconic loop-de-loops! I'd always assumed those evolved as an idea based on the hedgehog character's rolling ability - apparently not...!
     
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  4. Blue Spikeball

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    Huh. So the loop de loops originated in the Twin Star(s) era? I guess it makes sense, they look surreal enough to belong in a dream world. Curious how the focus on speed seems to predate the rabbit, though.
     
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  5. Battons

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    Thank you so much, I just wanted to make sure that new unseen picture had some form of authenticity to it so I appreciate the source. I really want to see that dragon in space vs super sonic art from sonic 3 one day..
     
  6. Overlord

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    Really interesting tweet, this is incredibly early Sonic concept art (the first picture obviously we've all seen before, not so much the other two!)
     
  7. MasterDreamcaster

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    More Sonic and NiGHTS...
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    Dr. Eggman Concept Art (from Sonic Adventure era?)
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    Emerald Coast Concept Art
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    Thank you for mentioning me!
    Though I'm most likely not the first one who spotted that art.
    Wonder what prevented SEGA from publishing it in artbooks or including the pictures in Sonic Origins.
     
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  8. Snowbound

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    ohshima’s been answering questions today on twitter
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    https://twitter.com/naotoohshima/status/1616853153324097536?s=46&t=nyBNQn4AhmPLxBExvhYKtg
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    https://twitter.com/naotoohshima/status/1616876578339958784?s=46&t=nyBNQn4AhmPLxBExvhYKtg
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    https://twitter.com/naotoohshima/status/1616879289160585216?s=46&t=nyBNQn4AhmPLxBExvhYKtg
     
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  10. MasterDreamcaster

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    About this "Sonic and a palmtree" picture. Got Ohshima's answer on Twitter.
    Quote: "I supervised the original picture, but I think someone imitated the picture and drew it".
     
  11. Snowbound

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    Could you provide a link to or a screen-capture of Ohshima’s response?
     
  12. MasterDreamcaster

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    I had asked him in a message. He is really nice - replied pretty fast.
     
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  13. Laura

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    Not sure if anyone noticed this but...

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    Clearly the inspiration for Tails in his below image for Mania

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    I think it's pretty cool that his original concept for Twin Stars always permeates what he's doing for Sonic, even in stuff he does decades later.
     
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  14. MasterDreamcaster

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    Well done, Laura! Great attention to details.
     
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    I wonder if the Sega Sonic Bros (Sonic’s red and yellow brothers that appeared in an obscure puzzle game) were a holdover of the siblings concept from Twin Stars?
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  17. Snub-n0zeMunkey

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    Wow this Twin Stars concept is really interesting! I can't believe this is one of the precursors to Sonic. It seems like Ohshima has always been very interested in psychedelic dreamlike aesthetics.

    I wonder why they decided to casually drop this info today lol. Makes you wonder what other secrets are hiding away
     
  18. Linkabel

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    I'm wondering if he misunderstood this question, because a lot of this concept does have parallels with NiGHTS.

    I've been thinking of how to ask him in a different way in Japanese if this concept served as a foundation when they were brainstorming NiGHTS. But it might be not worth the try and maybe it's not a good idea to bombard with questions, especially ones that he already answered.
     
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    He also explained why the main villain was called Thirteen:
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  20. Snowbound

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    I was also wondering if something was lost in translation however he
    was asked about Nights again and he said this:
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    https://twitter.com/naotoohshima/status/1616897065388478465?s=46&t=nyBNQn4AhmPLxBExvhYKtg
    He was indirectly asked if he would like a Sonic game in a dream world and he did say he would prefer another Nights game. But I don’t think that means there’s a connection between twin stars and nights
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    https://twitter.com/naotoohshima/status/1616888489626460161?s=46&t=nyBNQn4AhmPLxBExvhYKtg
     
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