Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by Keith Hemari, Oct 1, 2005.
Am I the only one here that can read between lines? He doesn't seem to be happy about this at all.
I'm sorry, but that was rude as fuck. I'm American, but I'll be damned if I believe what I see and hear without more solid proof. Society itself -- not just America -- is fucked. Don't believe anything.
*tears his hair out*
For the record, I don't believe the 'nakaflashdriveyouhavethebeta?zomfgthere'saromdumpoftheproto' story one bit. For one thing, we are known to Sega. Remember Pach working at a Sonic Team division? His name's in the Sega Smash Pack's credits, for Pete's sake. How could this prototype not be known?
How hypocritical we are. People want a 2D Sonic game gone 3D. We get Heroes. People complain the game's so full of bugs, it's basically a heap of soil. *buzzer sound* Wrong. People want a solo character game. We get Shadow's game. People complain as it has him with a (entirely optional) gun. Comparisons with GTA. *buzzer sound* People want a Sonic game based solely around speed. We get Riders. And so on and so forth.
People want good games. We get the above (although the more I hear of the Shadow game the more curious I become - just so long as it doesn't come with that ear torture).
Just because YOU don't like those games doesn't mean that Sega doesn't care.
Didn't some people cry "we want a Sonic game that is more old-school" after Sonic Adventure 1 and 2? They got Sonic Heroes, albeit they probably envisioned something different. :P
And didn't Sega have a poll on their Sonic website, asking fans which character they'd like to see in his own game? A Shadow the Hedgehog option was on it and I bet it received many votes.
The vast majority of us fans don't like Heroes, didn't you know? Same with Advance 3. I'll admit, I am somewhat looking forward to Shadow, but not too enthusiastically; the word "hopeful" would be a good description of my anticipation - hopeful it isn't a piece of crap.
Battle is full of massive plot holes that just leave me (and many others) confused.
Agreed. That, and those who disagree with the new games say that Sega isn't lestening to their fans. Truth is, Sega is listening to their fans. It's just a matter of which fans they're listening to—after all, our little community here represents only a small portion of the Sonic fan base, which is a fact that members here seem fo forget.
And about the whole American thing, you can fuck yourself about that.
Well, these are my views on Heroes and the main "fans", who are generally <10 years old.
The thing is that we are, in general, the more intelligent, older fans who remember and know how a Sonic game is supposed to be played, and yes, we sadly make up the minority of the fans. Many fans are the five to eight year olds who watched Sonic X, saw an ad for Heroes and proclaimed "ZOMG LIEK TALKING HEDGEHOG HE HAVE NEW VIDEO GAME w00t w00t GIMME MOMMY =DDDDDDD" and have never seen or heard of games before Heroes, and so that is how they think Sonic games should be. Heroes was a poor "Sonic game" (though I really don't count it as an actual "Sonic game", the gameplay was too drastically different) because the gameplay was poor, the music was poor (or at least poorer than the Adventure series, though it still isn't too bad), the voice acting was of a much lower quality than the Adventures, and the dialouge was much too kiddy. The only thing "retro" about it was Metal Sonic. This is where the <10 year old fans draw their Sonic experiences from; they never played an actual "Sonic game", meaning they really aren't "Sonic fans", they are "Sonic Heroes fans", because Heroes was a much different franchise than the original games and the Adventures.
I thought Sonic Battle was good.....
The only sonic game I'm REALLY looking forward to is the Next Gen sonic game, it looks absolutly fantastic!
Sega is a business. They won't make much money by releasing stuff that the "older, more intelligent" fans want. They'll make more by releasing stuff that the kids want, and that the older, more intelligent fans buy anyway.
Smartest thing I've heard all day.
I don't think you got my point. I don't consider the kids "Sonic fans". They are "Sonic Heroes fans", a franchise very much different than the normal Sonic one.
Just because the younger fans like Heroes doesn't make them any lesser of a Sonic fan. Yes, the new generation of Sonic fans missed Sonic at his best, but each generation is presented with new games to fall in love with.
Imagine playing Sonic Heroes without any prior knowledge of the Genesis Sonic games. What impression would you have? Also, if you have never really known anything but 3D games, would you want to give the older games a chance?
It's all a matter of perspective.
I heartily agree that if you're a fan of Sonic Heroes only, you are still technically a Sonic fan.
I stopped playing Sonic when I was about 7. I restarted my obsession with Sonic Heroes. I am sorry if this makes me any less of a fan to you, Guess Who.
I guess if I had restarted with Sonic & Knuckles, this would make me a "Sonic & Knuckles fan". After all, the gameplay was different to the original. It had glides and spindashes and new characters.
So kids enjoy the new games. Well, if they had been young in the early 90's, they would have played the originals. But now, they play the current games on the market. Just because someone gets annoyed because he hates the new games and sees himself as more of a fan doesn't make them any less of a Sonic fan.
I agree with that too—would you believe me if I told you that the first Sonic game I actually owned was Sonic Adventure 2: Battle? Of course, that's not the whole story—not by a long shot—but I guess that makes me a turd too, since, after all, I didn't play the old games until after I was poisoned with the new ones, and because of their vile grip I'm now anxiously awaiting Shadow the Hedgehog. I guess I might as well leave and contribute to the real Sonic fans stopping Sonic from continuing...
I am saying that Heroes is a very different franchise from normal Sonic. You can be a fan of both, I am saying that the younger fans who have never played pre-Heroes Sonic are just Sonic Heroes fans and don't know how much better the other Sonic games are. I never said those who like Heroes are not true Sonic fans, just those that like it and either:
A. Never played pre-Heroes Sonic (which is very different)
B. Don't like normal Sonic.
If you like Heroes and neither A or B apply to you, then you are also a Sonic fan.
EDIT: By the way, Mega Collection and Gems Collection are very easy to come by, so don't give me any "they can't play the old games" bullshit.
I rest my case.
You have a Sonic Heroes avatar. :P
Late 2003-Early 2004-Sega releases Sonic Heroes, intended for a younger audience. It gets huge success, especially in Britan.
Late 2005-Sega releases Shadow the Hedgehog, a game where demon-like aliens torment the planet earth, and Shadow, the gun-bearing, motorcycle-riding semi-gothic hedgehog, shoots at everything he sees, including Sonic.
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