Music Remastered

No offense, Irixion and all other related parties, but I have to agree with Tweaker on the grounds that it sounds bad. And I mean baaaaaaaaaaaad.
...yeah.

 

That's ok but... can you post some suggestions or tips that helps Irixion to improve his version? For example, I didn't like the echoes that makes the song too noisy for me... but I don't know if it needs other improvements.
Post your suggestions to make the possible future's BGM better.

 

The best tracks will be chosen after a selection we'll do on later stages.

Until then, I don't understand why the "trashing people attitude" must come out instead of a simple "I don't like it" or ignoring it at all.
No one is "forced" or "payed" to contribute in S2HD, and if someone feels to waste its time why even bother?
If accusing, trashing and sending threats to S2HD means to be a good contributor we prefer to have fewer ones with positive attitude.

Coming back on topic, we also need to make a backup of every new music file is submitted on filesharing sites, Livethefire will you do it?

 

I'm a newcomer to this community. However I feel I can contribute with some words and not just music. Please read and comment.

It is very exciting to see how many smart, talented, critical and motivated people are here with a common goal in mind; it's also exciting to imagine how great the results would be due to this huge potential.

On the other hand it is quite sad to see such big expectations blow into the void for some reasons, which I think are: absence of both an agreement on a standard approach to re-work the music/sfx and coordinated, adding efforts.

In other words, we need to work as a team, taking the very best of each one of the contributors with a specific goal in mind. Things the way they are now are much more likely to disappoint both listeners and musicians in many ways, and that's what I've seen here.

I'd go further on this subject and write a proposal, but please first let me know wheter you agree with this point or not.

 

To tell the truth,
As each new composition provided in pleasing results, different music styles(Scubasteeve CPZ, Wing Fortress, S2Ending theme), we never expected the Music part to be coordinated.

That said, if you have a "working method" which would help improving the development of this area, please do it!

 

I completely agree with you, my friend. Team work is the best thing that we can do, for the project and for us too. That's the way that every member can cooperate with others being polite. But, to reach that level, I think it would be better if all of us set some standards about what we want to expect for this project. In this case, what kind of remixes we want to hear: fully remixed song, remixes without notes changes, instruments close to the original ones, etc.
For example, voting could be a solution. This way maybe we can skip some unnecessary discussions and give to new artist a clue about what they could do as acceptable for the project and make all of us happy. :lol:
I'm telling this here because I still can remember the discussion about the Title Cards in the Miscellaneous Art thread. Once again we met people who differ totally in different ways about what they want to see in this future game. Some people is looking for a piece of art, some other for a polished version of the original game and some others for a glossy-looking and highly-noised renewal of the game. In my opinion, all that points of view are valid but we can't make a game with all of them together (obviously :P).
So, that's my humble suggestion, but I would like to know what do you think about this.
I hope this can be solved soon, for the project's sake.

 

Well, I do believe that a voting system or something would make it easier for the creator of the remix to know if it's acceptable or not, but I also think that creators should tolerant criticism, even if it's harsh, and even if one person saying that another person's work sucks. Just have your arguments ready.
EDIT : I realize how stupid this sound just now, but I'm not editing my post.

And I still think people should express what they really think about other people's work without dumbing down their opinion because they want to be polite. If you're doing that, then you're not telling us your real opinion.

 

I have not dumbed down a single thing I have ever said about the project to this point, and I will continue to say exactly what I think. Nothing is going to change that.

That said, I've not really been outright pissed off about something that happened about this project until that point. If you find it more convenient to throw away contributors that express anger—a human emotion—based on a reasonable situation that you refuse to see from my point of view, then fuck you, sir, I don't think I'll endorse this project any longer.

 

I was not saying you did so. I was saying that other people seem to have problem with your opinion and I think that everyone should be able to have a opinion, even if it's harsh.

Or maybe I'm just way off now. I don't know, the last posts in this thread has just been a mess, and I don't want that.

 

Here's a problem right now: you don't need to insult other people's work just because you want to tell them that their work doesn't likes you. You can always be polite, using words like "I don't like how it sounds" instead of "It fucking sucks! >_<". :lol:
And we always can suggest improvements. If the song doesn't likes you at all, you can suggest redo the whole song.
And we have to remember that all of us have different sense of art. So, if something sounds like crap for me, doesn't means that song is crap at all. It's just that I don't like it and that's all.

 

Well, I definitely like the idea of using polls to hear which kind of music to officially support.

And about the quality standard of Music it must be at least like the contributions you can download on the first page, which are really brilliant.
Let's say about options:


-Improved music from originals tunes

-Remixes based on the original tunes

-A mixture of both


It's only a three option one, so feel free to add.

 

I'm just mad at all the baby talk on the internet which goes a little bit like this :

Person 1 makes pretty shitty thing.

Person 2 says that he absolutely loves this thing, when he in fact does not and only says so to be polite and friendly.

Person 1 makes more shitty things.

It goes on.
I'm just saying I've seen this kinda thing all over the internet (Youtube for example) and I'm sick of it. Not saying I've seen this kinda thing here, but yeah, I don't like it.

Politeness is good, but only if target creator deserves it. Mostly does, but there are some times when they don't.

 

Ok, I know this is half in the wrong thread, but honestly, there's so much going on in this one music thread that it's hard to coordinate exactly what's going on. It would be nice if we could discuss things more specifically, but having one thread for each major category seems to be causing such a concentration of opinions that it's hard to get anything done because we keep switching topics/zones for discussion.

One idea (and just an idea so don't flame me if you don't like it) would be to have subforums based on the category (a music subforum with threads for each zone) or zone subforums with one thread for each of the categories (EHZ subforum with music thread, etc).

It just kind of makes it hard to keep track of where we are because for instance, let's say I want to know all about what's going on with EHZ's theme, I gotta read 41 pages of comments that maybe only 20% of them relate to that song, and then the authors of that song don't really get to hear the feedback because once somebody has posted feedback on something, we're already talking about another song or another zone. It'd be nice to be able to more easily follow the conversations of specific things IMHO, but it's just my $0.02...

 

What you have now is the best you're going to get. I'm not going to dedicate excessive forum resources to a single project when:

A) It's supposed to cater to multiple projects, and
B) It's unnecessary forum bloat.

If you want to search something on the EHZ music, there's a search bar in the bottom corner of each topic where you can search within it. You don't need anything more than that.

 

Ahh, ok. gotcha. sorry about that.

Although I am curious, what other projects are there? All I see is S2HD, forgive me if I'm blind, :-)

 

We have some other projects on the back burner that we're going to put in action soon. Keep an eye out!

 

Alright folks,

I've read that this sub-project was not meant to be coordinated because results were satisfactory since the begining. However, it doesn't mean it will go on like that and this lack of coordination leads to disappointment because lots of efforts will just be wasted, when in fact they could be added to each other. It is about efficiency and taking the best of everyone. Thus we need some guidelines in order to try and match our expectations, which is particulary important when it comes down to artistic perception and expression. Mostly, we should consolidate such guidelines on behalf of the players/listeners before we start spending our vacant hours with this.

I've read also some very open-minded lines here and I feel encouraged to suggest a work method. I'm sorry if too much emphasis was added with bolds and such.




1. What is the goal of this sub-project?

You tell me what the goal is. I'll try to define it and you help me as you will. I suppose anyone who will play Sonic 2 HD out of the blue will be expecting the following: "Original music with today's technology."

So music needs to be transcribed and produced.

By "transcribed" I mean a true copy from the game, no more, no less. Obviously style can be enhanced by adding some detail notes which wouldn't be worth doing (or even possible) back then in genesis' time and by velocity changes, as well as overdubs, complete drum kits/loops, etc. To sum it up, notes themselves must remain untouched but also welcome new notes to avoid shallow sound.

By "properly produced" I mean basically good instruments sets and traditional/ortodoxal stereo panning and effects.

Thus we can define the goal as to transcribe Sonic 2 music to the originally intented instruments/overall style, updating them to today's music standards.




2. What available resources do we have?

Again, you help me. I'll try:
- Educated musicians;
- Musicians' real instruments;
- Musicians' hardware/software for recording;
- Software for stripping music from the game;
- Midi's found on the web;
- Software for re-writing music (totally necessary in most cases);
- Software for changing instruments and adding effects;
- Virtual instruments and effects themselves;
- This forum for communicating purposes. E-mail and msn should also be encouraged because not everything needs to be discussed publicly.




3. How should we organize resources in order to achieve the desired results?

We need a common basic file to work with. It must be a midi file that is true to the original music. Consider this as a level tile-set. It is of great importance because: 1) midi files available on the web are often innacurate; 2) softwares I tried to get music from the game are not entirely useful.

Musicians can make use of their skills to rebuild original music. I prefer writing on the virtual music sheet rather than anything because it gives total control over the basic music, it is just like programming. Zero ill-timed or ill-harmonized notes.

Finally, these "tile-sets" must be made available in a data-base for everyone.

Now people can listen to this early beta music and share opinions on how it should sound like instrument-wise and style-wise. For instance, I believe the lead instrument in HTZ should be a harmonica and style should remind me of a happy story in countryside america, but other people may think something different. It's is very important to come to an agreement at this stage to avoid contributors wasting their time.

Now that everything is set, musicians can do their best on re-arranging, adding notes as they feel apropriate, choosing good instruments, producing, etc. This is where team work should work at its best.

For instance, one person works on the drums while another works on the bass and rythym instrument(s). A third guy can hunt hi and low (if needed) for good instruments and post sample tones based on the respective midi track so we can compare, discuss, agree and choose. By that time another person will be done with stereo panning and such. Hopefully we will also listen to some performances from the forum members playing their instruments. Put everything together and then we will have an almost finished track, needing only some production that must be made by the ones who are skilled on it.

I know it all sounds a bit utopic, but at least we should try to work together on the same file with a goal in mind rather than individually making songs and then throwing away vast ammounts of other people's energy and dedication while fighting to win an argument on which music is the best.

These ideas can be further developed and I'm looking forward to hearing from you.