MJ/Sonic 3 question

Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by TheLazenby, Oct 5, 2006.

  1. TheLazenby

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    I was wondering something about the Michael Jackson/Sonic 3 thing... is Launch Base Zone supposed to sound like any of his songs??

    I read somewhere that someone thought parts resembled "Smooth Criminal", but I have no idea what the hell they're talking about... I can't hear a resemblance at all.

    Anyone know?
     
  2. Shade

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    No. No songs seem to resemble Launch Base.

    Ice Cap is the one that bears resemblance to Smooth Criminal. I originaly pointed it out.
     
  3. TheLazenby

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    After hearing the comparisons between Stranger In Moscow and the ending credits, I have to wonder...

    How did that slip by unnoticed for an entire decade?? They're almost the same song!
     
  4. Shade

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    I guess no one here ever listened to as much Michael Jackson as I did :P I was just listening to the song one night, doing my homework, and I sat bolt upright and said "Holy shit, this is the Sonic 3 Credits music!" and I posted about it, and everyone was like "zomg".

    Very interesting stuff.
     
  5. WiteoutKing

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    So far it's...

    Carnival Night Zone - Jam
    Ice Cap Zone - Who Is It (Smooth Criminal)
    Launch Base Zone - ???
    Credits - Stranger in Moscow

    I include LBZ because, like the other three the theme was completely removed from the PC version.
     
  6. Heran Bago

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    Don't forget knuckles' theme and the half-time boss in AIZ
     
  7. WiteoutKing

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    Yeah, I was GOING to list those, but I'm honestly not sure if they actually count, seeing as they aren't even in S&K iirc. lol read edit

    EDIT:

    I'm A FUCKING IDIOT AND I CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST NOTICED THIS NOW.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=4DBTXKKsNxM

    Michael Jackson's "Blood on the Dance Floor".

    Listen to the percussion and tell me that isn't almost exactly Knux's theme from S3.
     
  8. ddrmaxromance

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    Wow....It really is close to the real thing.

    To quote Shade:
    "zOMG!" =P
     
  9. Hivebrain

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    I'm sorry, but Sonic 3 tunes have only the vaguest of similarities (if any) to Michael Jackson songs. I think you people are hearing what you want, or expect, to hear. For example, "Blood on the Dancefloor" has a similar-sounding drum beat to the one in Knuckles' theme, but that's pretty much where the similarity ends.
     
  10. Tweaker

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    What? That doesn't sound "exactly like it" -- they aren't even remotely similar. The ONLY comparison you could draw between the two is the drum samples used, and even then, that's hardly worth noting.

    Hell, even the backbeat isn't the same. None of it is.
     
  11. Guess Who

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    How do I failed hearing?

    That's... not even close.
     
  12. Shade

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    Regardless of wether or not some people make stretches in this oft-debated connection between MJ and Sonic 3, the undisputable fact is that people who have worked with Jackson on albums both pre and post Sonic 3, are credited in Sonic 3. It is not implausible that certain MJ songs could, and occasionaly do, bear resemblance to music in Sonic 3.

    Plus, you'd be hard pressed to argue against the Stranger in Moscow thing. We've established this.
     
  13. WiteoutKing

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    The theory for Who Is It holds a ton of weight too, that speed up shows they're ridiculously close to being the same damn song.

    EDIT: And for Blood on the Dance Floor, that drum bit was exactly what I was talking about.
     
  14. Tweaker

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    And that drum bit sounds nothing like the song, so I don't know what kind of shit you're on.
     
  15. WiteoutKing

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    I'd do this myself if I had the materials, but... does anyone have the ability to do an overlay? Basically starting with one, fading into just the other, then the two together? (Similar to how Ice Cap Zone and Who Is It were done in the Jimbo video)
     
  16. Tweaker

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    Overlaying something doesn't automatically make it the same song... Hundreds of songs share a common beat, does that mean they're all in Sonic 3?
     
  17. WiteoutKing

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    nonono, I meant that so as to compare the two percussive tracks (which is also the entirety for Knux's theme).

    When I get some time I'll try to put it together and see what people think.
     
  18. hxc

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    I'm in 100% agreence, seeing as Roger Hector himself said the MJ songs were totally scrapped.
     
  19. WiteoutKing

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    Perhaps the ones that were made by MJ himself were, but those by his team remained? I dunno.

    Actually, I could see if Scirocco knows anything about that particular bit.
     
  20. BadCopNoDonut

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    Yeah, but again, Stranger in Moscow. I don't have speakers at the moment to check the other stuff(School PC. :< )I showed it to some friends in my dorm, didn't fully explain what was up at first to get their reactions, and they were like "Holy shit, did MJ just completely rip that off from there, or vice versa?" I think there is still SOMETHING there, even if its just that. There's no way in hell both the S3 credits and Stranger in Moscow are going to have the exact same note progression(for lack of a better term) by pure coincidence. As for the Sega/Sonic Team brass saying that its gone, they could easily say it is in order to prevent a whole swarm of questions from coming their way about what was originally planned for Sonic 3. Plus I'm sure game magazines would even take interest if Sega outright admitted "Yes, MJ actually DID make some of S3's music." Plus the "Come on!" shouts in mini-boss music, and the shouts in other zones. Those vaguely sound like MJ(as best as it can through Sega anyway.) Call me stubborn or whatever else you want, but while I can agree that some zones don't sound like MJ's music, I will not buy it that its all gone completely.