Looking for S1 Proto Scans from Sega Megadrive/Genesis: Collected Works

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  1. Beamer the Meep

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    This is the first time I've posted a thread on this forum, so forgive me if there's a better thread to bring this up at.

    Back in 2014, there were some previously unreleased documents from Sonic 1's development that were included in a limited run Kickstarter book Sega Mega Drive/Genesis: Collected Works by Keith Stuart. It showcased stuff involving Sonic's Band being rescued and appearing in the ending cutscene. I know that a member on these forums posted some pictures of those documents but we never got clear scans uploaded to Sonic Retro.

    I've already spoken to SpeedStarTMQ about getting scans from his copy of the book, but I understand that could be problematic. Likewise, I don't really have the money to buy an $80 book much less locate someone who can sell a copy. So basically, I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the book and the ability/willingness to scan copies for upload on the wiki?
     
  2. nineko

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    There is one thing you should do differently (at least, in my opinion, but I'm not a moderator), please add "looking for" in the topic title to clarify that you're looking for those pictures, otherwise people might be clickbaited to open this topic hoping that you're offering them.
     
  3. biggestsonicfan

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  5. Beamer the Meep

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    Ah, sorry about that guys :ohdear:
     
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  6. I've got that book. I don't have a scanner, but I'll look into options. Took me four days to remember my password for this site!
     
  7. Here's the two big artworks toward the back. There's a handful of smaller images toward the front: a couple of the simple Ohshima drawings, Robotnik in pajamas, and the only one that may be unique, a draft of the Sonic 2 promo artwork (Greg Martin).

    I don't mess with the wiki; y'all can update it if needed.

    https://imgur.com/a/fYD4sPH
     
  8. Beamer the Meep

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    I think the wiki already has that particular artwork (not sure if they're at that resolution), but I appreciate you taking the time to upload them! Specifically, I'm looking for any artwork pertaining to Sonic's Band. I managed to find some pictures someone on Retro took a while back, just hoping for some clearer scans. Do you happen to know if they're in the book?

    Here's a link to those shots: https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(Genesis)#Collected_Works_Concept_Art
     
  9. The book doesn't contain that "band" image, nor any images like it. There are some Ohshima design doc sketches toward the back but they show gameplay and intro/outro concepts, and they're reeeeeally tiny images. I don't see a mention of the band throughout the book, though I admit I did not reread it in its entirity. :P
     
  10. Pengi

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    They're on pages 182-183.
     
  11. OH!

    OK, yeah, those postage-stamp size Ohshima sketches do show the band at the end sequence of the game. I'll try to get those pages scanned in the next day or two.
     
  12. Beamer the Meep

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    Much appreciated! I'll see if I can upload them to the wiki once they come in.
     
  13. I feel like a fool; I've had this book for years and never really paid attention to these sketches (probably because they were so small); there's so many neat details in it, like the early idea for the wrecking ball boss, the concept for the animal capsule, and even that the ending had hints of Sonic 2's ending in its concept.

    The imgur link has a 75% reduction of the scans; if Beamer wants to PM me I'll send them a Google Drive link to the full 1200 DPI scans. Unfortunately it looks like the lower right of page 182 is a bit mucky but not much I an do about it for now.

    https://imgur.com/a/ZIP03Ty
     
  14. SpeedStarTMQ

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    That’s not Sonic 2’s ending you’re seeing, that’s an alternative take of Sonic defeating Robotnik as he flees in Sonic 1.

    In the panels you can see Robotnik escaping in his vintage style plane / pod (which clearly becomes his eggmobile that keeps certain design traits such as the wings with a metal screw plate type look) and as he’s leaving the island Sonic hits him, sending him off exploding in a comical fashion.

    This type of ending is actually used in Sonic 1 Master System, and Sonic 1 MegaDrive has sprites in the ROM that went unused showing him blowing up in the distance, so it likely got reasonably far in until they scrapped that altogether, instead opting for the player choosing to hit him as he leaves Scrap Brain Zone - in my opinion the superior choice which gives the player a real sense of satisfaction.

    Taking a closer look at the boss fight panels themselves they are actually very similar to how the Master System boss fight operates. I imagine a lot of the concept of Sonic 1 was shared between the two versions until the 16-Bit version progressed, leaving the 8-Bit Master System version with older concepts that seemed more suited to the 8-Bit architecture.
     
  15. I was seeing the "Sonic falling but caught by a flying thing and safely taken to the ending" bit and figuring it was a concept revisited in Sonic 2 - was definitely clear this was early Sonic 1 work.
     
  16. Beamer the Meep

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    I'll be sure to send you that PM Magi. Thanks so much for scanning these!

    Honestly it seems like a lot of small concepts kinda rippled into other games. In addition to what you guys pointed out, the midboss concept might have been the inspiration behind the minibosses in Sonic 3.

    I'm also wondering if that key item was used to open up the capsules early on rather than Sonic destroying them. Could be from when they still were considering sonic being able to pick up and throw items in the game.
     
  17. Pengi

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    The boss concept also has the crushing pistons of the Mega Drive version (the arrows denote direction of movement). It's interesting how it was essentially split into two bosses over the two versions of the game. I wonder if it was co-ordinated, or just happenstance. The fight also looks to take place in some kind of "sky base".

    Sonic appearing by the Sega logo is used in the Game Gear version, though in a different manner. Eggman and the Sonic Band running across the screen is reused in Sonic 2's Sega logo, but with Sonic himself.
     
  18. Blue Spikeball

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    The 8-bit version also has unused turret graphics for the Sky Base Zone boss, implying it was indeed going to implement the final boss from the concept sketches:
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    Really makes you what other remnants of early MD concepts are present in the 8-bit version.
     
  19. Beamer the Meep

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    I've gone ahead and updated the Sonic 1 development page with the scans, added the boss concept to the 8-bit version's development page, and left a mention of the concept in the description for those graphics you guys mentioned. I have the full scans uploaded, but I decided to break them down into 8 individual images for readability. If there's any tweaks I should make please let me know.

    I did notice that there were some concept documents in the 8-bit version's development page and the map screen document looks kinda similar in style to these scans (to me at least). Is it possible that concept originated with the Genesis version? We know they attempted a similar map screen during the development of Sonic 2.
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  20. Xiao Hayes

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    Dont' forget the concept map for Angel Island was quite similar too, since they reworked the stuff they planned to do on previous games. You know, like West Side island is a patch to the discarded South island for Sonic 2, and Angel Island is South Island 2.0 with everything West Side island never was.