Knuckles' Ringstar (Chaotix) pre-1207 Prototype magazine scans

Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by Prototype, Aug 25, 2017.

  1. I wonder if "Knuckles' Ringstar" and "Nat the Armadillo" would've been used in Japan too or if they would change with the region of the console. It seems odd to rename Mighty. I wonder if he would've been renamed in SegaSonic too, had the localization had been finished. The western title, "Knuckles' Chaotix" always seemed really odd. Maybe the possessive is a remnant from the old title. Perhaps if the western title is already letting you know Knuckles is in this game, that might be a reason for it to say "Starring Espio the Chameleon" in those regions. Although the title cards do still say Knuckles' Ringstar when set to Japan.

    This build looks close to the 1207 one, which itself is from just a couple of weeks after the 32x came out in North America. I guess this is what the game looked like when the hardware had shipped.


    This poor game had so many names; Sonic Crackers, Sonic Stadium, Project Casablanca, Knuckles' Ringstar, Chaotix: Knuckles' Ringstar, Chaotix, Knuckles' Chaotix ...
     
  2. Ritz

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    Never heard this one, source?
     
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    "Cassablanca " Projects The jumbled text


    It's in the unfinished credits screen in the 0119 and 0202 prototypes but was removed in 0213. (It's in the stage select as "Not used" Level 0.) It is also mentioned in a string in 1207's sound driver which says, "casablanca version by MILPO".


    Also the screenshots of the intro level has mighty as knuckles' partner instead of Espio. but I think that may just mean they used stage select's defaults.
     
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  4. ICEknight

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    Some unused graphics for the credits, I think?
     
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    You can add "Sonic Chaotix" to the mix too (as well as just "Chaotix"). :P

    I meant to post this a few months ago, but I found this (Hobby Consolas #33 - June 1994):
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    This is the earliest mention of Chaotix I could find in my collection. At this time the 32X was still called the Mega Drive 32, but was confirmed to be using the SH2 processors and everything. It's only mentioned very briefly, but it confirms that it was being planned for the 32X even at this point.
     
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    "Mega Drive 32" was a European-only name that I think turned up after it was announced as the Sega Genesis 32X in the US. I don't know exactly when it changed but I think it might have been quite late.

    There'll be clues on Sega Retro but our PDF support is bork, making it unpleasant to sift through right now.
     
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    Jack shit.
    Yeah, and because of this, if a new magazine is uploaded it doesn't show up in it's catagory, and if it's totally new it doesn't get a category made.
     
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    That's actually a different issue, and it's because I cheat and use FTP to upload things en masse :v:/>

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  9. Wow, I had no idea the "Chaotix" name is so old that it predates the Sonic removal! Looks like the port to 32x was under way during or not long after late April.


    Some other things I noticed on this page;
    The 32x pictured in the background looks like it has the Megadrive 32 name on the badge.
    Looks like Winter Extreme and Operation Desert Moon never came out
    The ports of Afterburner and Space Harrier are titled "Super"
    Those Doom screenshots are from a prototype way older than the the September builds we have! It's running fullscreen (The pictures don't show the lag) like the later protos, and the HUD looks totally different! Interesting console placement too. whoops
     
  10. ICEknight

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    Oh, that one was buried in the topic of other knowledge.
    The text says that those are screens from the PC version.
     
  11. Prototype

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    I've been wondering about Mighty's brief renaming to "Nat" that is shown in these screenshots. Given the naming scheme of the other characters, which are somewhat reflective of their personality type, the naming choice of "Nat" seems odd. At least until I discovered that "Natsu" is Japanese for "Summer" - which is something you could possibly use to describe the peaceful personality ascribed to Mighty in the Chaotix manual.

    Is that too far of a leap to make? If not, could it have something to do with the song title "Door Into Summer"?

    I'd certainly love to see some older builds some day and see a more comprehensive progression from Crackers to Chaotix.
     
  12. ICEknight

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    I think that's a huuuuuuuuuuge stretch but really, who knows.
     
  13. Prototype

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    You're probably right. Could it be then, that when they looked back at old SegaSonic character designs and decided on Mighty to replace Sonic, that the design sheet had a preproduction name on it, and they inadvertantly used that before realising what his actual name was?

    The name Nat just confuses me. It doesn't convey anything about his character. It's a very odd choice.
     
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    Short for “natural,” perhaps?
    Oshima might answer on twitter if someone asks him.
     
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    I downloaded a Sonic Jam Art Gallery archive, and lo and behold I find this picture. Essentially the same picture as the one on the title screen, though the in-game version seems to be a tad off-model. That's to be expected with a rush-job like this. Everything else seems to line up though.

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