Dude, I'm drooling. Only another 20 hours, 25 minutes, and 32 seconds to go. Come to think of it, I'd better prepare something big for dinner tonight so I've got plenty of leftovers, because I can't see myself eating if it takes me away from my computer for longer than a minute. I also definitely think I'm coming down with something. I don't think I'll be able to make it to work on Monday.....
So Hidden Palace was originally just going to be Sky Sanctuary 1? I wonder if they changed it to Hidden Palace because of the hype the magazines were creating, about the possibility of unlocking it through S&K...
I was bored, so here's a comparison chart of the most important stuff I've noticed in Hidden Palace Zone from the 408 beta, the 517 beta, and the final. I don't know how to use tables on this board, so I did this in ASCII. Code (Text): Changes |Sonic 3C 408 |Sonic 3C 517 |S3&K Final --------------|--------------|--------------|--------------- Title Card |Sky Sanctuary |Hidden Palace |Hidden Palace |Act 1 | | --------------|--------------|--------------|--------------- Music |Sky Sanctuary |Sky Sanctuary |Lava Reef Act 2 --------------|--------------|--------------|--------------- Start of Level|Stationary |Stationary |Walking --------------|--------------|--------------|--------------- Left screen |Yes |No |No lock? | | | --------------|--------------|--------------|--------------- Visible yellow|Yes |Yes |No spring? | | | --------------|--------------|--------------|--------------- Rightmost |S Monitor |??? |Speed shoes monitor in | | | left secret | | | area | | | --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Three monitors|1-up, |??? |Super Ring, in right |1-up, | |Super Ring, secret area |1-up. | |1-up --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Monitor to |Fire shield |Fire shield |Super Ring right of | | | teleporter | | | --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Teleporter |Constant |When |When glowing | |teleporting |teleporting --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Knuckles sound|None |Partial |Complete effects | | | --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Knuckles boss |Sonic 3 |Sonic 3 |S3&K music |Miniboss |Miniboss |Knuckles Theme --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Super Sonic |No |??? |Yes invulnerable | | | to Knuckles? | | | --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Timer stops |No |No |Yes after fight? | | | --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Music stops |No |No |Yes after fight? | | | --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Knuckles |Partial |Complete |Complete special | | | animations | | | --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Master Emerald|No sfx, |No sfx, |Sound effect, theft |Knuckles runs |Knuckles jumps|Knuckles jumps |to right |to Emerald |to Emerald --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Boss music? |No |No |Yes --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Knuckles hits |No |Yes, flashes |Yes, no flash. Robotnik? | | | --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Electrocution |No sfx, long, |No sfx, short,|Sound, long, |can't move |can't move |can move --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Breaking down |Knuckles runs |Knocks down |Gives "ok" the wall |into the wall |wall, gives |gesture, knocks | |"ok" gesture |down wall. --------------|--------------|--------------|---------------- Knuckles on |No |Yes |Yes teleporter? | | | --------------|--------------|--------------|----------------
Having watched both sets of HPZ footage, I'm getting pretty excited about getting my hands on some of these protos. = D Weird that Robotnik actually flashing as Knuckles hits him was removed between the 517 version and the final version of the scene in Sonic & Knuckles. I wonder why they chose to remove that, exactly..? It's strange to think that they were still intending on releasing a ready-combined version of Sonic 3 until pretty late into the development process - I'd heard about the intention before, but had assumed that it'd been abandoned when the concept of Lock-On was developed. It just goes to show, I guess. Come to think of it, I wonder if the object placement tweaks and revisions in the Sonic 3 levels when locked-on with Sonic & Knuckles were a direct result of the continuing development of the 3C version? (Assumedly excluding the removal of Sonic 3's final boss, Big Arm, from Launch Base in the locked-on version. =/ I was always a bit miffed about that.)
Who here agrees that removing the last boss of Launch Base 2 in S3K was a bad idea? To me it is, it just makes the boss to be extremely stupid, the best part of it is the final stage :/
Yeah, I think he should still have been in S3K. The boss they left was too easy, atleast the boss they took out could take Sonic out of his super form.
That video is seriously badass. And did the S box automatically gave you 50 rings? Is that how it was supposed to work? (Before it got scrapped of course :P)
The S Monitor Is Still In S3/S3K/S&K. Place It In Debug Or Change A Monitor In A Level Editor. EDIT:Sik, I Saw Your Sig And Googled Anna, She Looks Like A Dude!
And yes, it's supposed to give you 50 rings. This is to make sure you can become SuperSonic (not really, but the 50 rings requirement was made so you had some reasonable time before losing the power probably).
wait wait wait... Saz has these? Have some of them been released all ready? I mean it's okay if he does, I'm just a little lost, I want to make sure I didn't miss something. The movies are really neat. I can't wait to play them.
They didn't completely remove it; they segregated it as the boss for Knuckles. The reasoning makes a certain amount of sense, as Knuckles's bosses were the closest the series came to a hard mode and a three-boss gauntlet wasn't really appropriate once LB2 was no longer the end of the game.
Is there anyway we can just call Sonic 3C Sonic and Knuckles? Or Sonic and Knuckles w/Sonic 3?... people are all ready getting confused thinking Sonic 3(A) made it that far in the production stage. PLEASE think before you post.
