Installing TinyXP

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  1. Namo

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    Someone suggested TinyXP in the Windows 98 thread I created, and it piqued my interest. I've never installed an OS over another one, except for when I managed to install XP over Vista, which resulted in all my shit getting lost because I was totally new at it.

    Anyway, I don't know if TinyXP has anything special about it when it comes to installing it over regular XP. Anyway, I want to install TinyXP over my current XP OS. Is there anyway I can do this and still keep all of the stuff on my hard drive?
     
  2. Zweih

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    First thing, if you're unsure about the benefits (if any at all) of installing this over your current configuration, why the hell bother? Ever hear the saying "Don't fix what isn't broken?"

    Also, the only thing you get from installing TinyXP is a botnet.


    If you really feel a need to upgrade, go for windows 7.
     
  3. Namo

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    Where did I say I wasn't sure of the benefits? By "I don't know if TinyXP has anything special about it when it comes to installing it over regular XP" I meant like, is TinyXP an alteration or an entirely new OS?

    Also, if I'm installing TinyXP, that hints that I don't have a very good computer if even XP is slow, so why would I install Windows 7 on it.
     
  4. Ravi Singh

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    Back-up your files to an external hard drive and use something like <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/151125/how_do_i_back_up_my_drivers.html" target="_blank">drivers.bat</a> to back up your drivers so you can install them without hassle after your TinyXP installation.

    If you want to save system resources, it's better to adjust settings to your current XP installation. Go with the classic Windows theme, disable programs you really don't need to start when you boot your computer from the start-up and cleaning your registry should help. There are other tweaks that you can look up online. What are the specs for your PC anyways?
     
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    Win7 would be a step back for someone looking for performance...

    Regarding TinyXP, you burn the ISO to a CD and then go on from that... should not be too difficult... I've never personally dealth with it, but I will give it a go as I am not very happy with the performance of XP on its own.
     
  6. Ravi Singh

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    You might as well go with MicroXP if you'd rather reformat with a new OS than tweak your current XP installation. Can't guarantee that you will be happy with the results though.
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=509078:date=Sep 22 2010, 02:58 AM:name=TmEE)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TmEE @ Sep 22 2010, 02:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=509078">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Win7 would be a step back for someone looking for performance...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    I disagree. Windows 7 brought new life to some of my older computers, such as an old AMD Athlon x2 3800 with hd3450 graphics. Runs aero and plays 1080p movies beautifully. Not to mention that further implementations of current browsers will be crippled (no GPU/Full hardware acceleration in the upcoming Internet Explorer 9, Firefox 4, and Chrome 7), and that you will be indirectly contributing to the holding back of interesting and awesome new web standards (HTML5, WebGL, and WebM).

    Better memory management, better GPU utilization, and an all 'round snappier machine is what awaits you on Windows 7. Provided you're not tech-savvy enough to install bloatware ass programs like iTunes or AVG Free Antivirus, which will slow most any older computers. I recommend visiting <a href="http://ninite.com/" target="_blank">http://ninite.com/</a> after a fresh install of windows. Every time.
     
  8. TmEE

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    Now take one RAM stick out and chuck in a GFX card without decent 3D acceleration and see how bad things go :P

    OS should not be a burden on the system... oh well... HW gets faster, but it has to be compensated for, right :P ?

    As far as software goes, I repair PCs for living and I get to see lot of PCs(read: crap) and I've seen quite a few machines with 7 on it where you should not even try to install it... and ninite I use nearly daily, cool stuff, recommend for everyone ^^

    I really don't want to argue here
     
  9. Namo

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    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is there anyway I can [install TinyXP] this and still keep all of the stuff on my hard drive?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
     
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    you could get all install files out of the ISO, put them somewhere on your HDD... you'd have to be able to boot your machine into an environment where you could launch the setup... in the world of 9x you got DOS for that. I think you should be able to do the magic on the recovery console on XP disc... damn I don't know how "backdoor" options work on XP, or if there's anything useful........
     
  11. Spanner

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    If you're using TinyXP, be sure to be using Rev 09. Anything else after that is fucked up.
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=509182:date=Sep 22 2010, 02:20 PM:name=SOTI)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SOTI @ Sep 22 2010, 02:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=509182">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you're using TinyXP, be sure to be using Rev 09. Anything else after that is fucked up.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    In what way?
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=509179:date=Sep 22 2010, 03:06 PM:name=Namo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Namo @ Sep 22 2010, 03:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=509179">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is there anyway I can [install TinyXP] this and still keep all of the stuff on my hard drive?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--quoteo(post=509077:date=Sep 22 2010, 05:56 AM:name=Ravi Singh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ravi Singh @ Sep 22 2010, 05:56 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=509077">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Back-up your files to an external hard drive and use something like <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/151125/how_do_i_back_up_my_drivers.html" target="_blank">drivers.bat</a> to back up your drivers so you can install them without hassle after your TinyXP installation.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Are you asking how to back up your files using an external or secondary hard drive? I just drag and drop, although there is software out there that some people prefer using.
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=509056:date=Sep 22 2010, 05:30 AM:name=Namo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Namo @ Sep 22 2010, 05:30 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=509056">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've never installed an OS over another one<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you want stable systems, you don't typically install an OS over the other. You have to format the drive where the old OS was if you expect good results.

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is there anyway I can do this and still keep all of the stuff on my hard drive?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Maybe this time the only solution will be to backup your data somewhere else and copy it back after formatting, but when you do format be sure to make two partitions in your hard drive, one for the OS and programs and another for your data, so that the next time you need to format you can wipe out only the OS, leaving the data partition untouched (and it can of course also be used to back up the few things that usually go in the C: drive, such as browser bookmarks).

    I am the go to guy for computer matters in my family, and my habit of always making 2 partitions has saved my ass several times. When someone gives me their new PC for configuring I always create 2 partitions like I said above, and when their PCs eventually get fucked up and get returned to me for fixing the job is much easier.
     
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    Tiny XP does NOT offer an "upgrade"/"repair" install option. All installs are fresh installs.

    I REPEAT: IT DOES NOT STORE OR KEEP ANY SETTINGS IN ANY WAY. ALL YOUR SHIT WILL BE LOST FOREVER IF YOU DIDN'T BACK IT UP FIRST.

    And you will have to reinstall all your programs AND re-configure all your settings.

    And you will be stuck on the Windows Classic desktop.

    And you won't have access to the latest version of the IE rendering engine, meaning anything which tries to use the IE control will be using an old as piss version, complete with security holes.

    And several system services are disabled, some of which might be important for certain non-standard tasks.

    But otherwise, yeah it's great.


    EDIT: Also, if you're going to use a slimmed-down operating system, at least get Tiny 7. If you're going to have a shitty slimmed down version of an operating system, at least get a shitty slimmed down version of a modern operating system.
     
  16. Namo

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    Here are my system specs.
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional
    Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600
    OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
    System Name NAMO-B98BCCA0
    System Manufacturer Sony Corporation
    System Model VGC-RA710G(UC)
    System Type X86-based PC
    Processor x86 Family 15 Model 3 Stepping 4 GenuineIntel ~3192 Mhz
    BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 2001, 4/9/2004
    SMBIOS Version 2.3
    Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
    System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
    Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
    Locale United States
    Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)"
    User Name NAMO-B98BCCA0\Namo
    Time Zone Eastern Daylight Time
    Total Physical Memory 512.00 MB
    Available Physical Memory 65.32 MB
    Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
    Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB
    Page File Space 1.22 GB
    Page File C:\pagefile.sys<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Based on this, what would be the best option - Switching to TinyXP or Tiny7?
     
  17. TmEE

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    If you get 1 more GB of RAM you could go for Tiny7. 512MB for updated XP is a bit too little... XP SP2 is somewhat fine with 512MB, but SP3 not too pleasant with less than 1GB...

    I once saw a XP machine with 128MB of RAM.... it never did anything else than grind the HDD D:
     
  18. Roxie Mika

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    <!--quoteo(post=509331:date=Sep 22 2010, 08:14 PM:name=HighFrictionZone)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HighFrictionZone @ Sep 22 2010, 08:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=509331">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And you will be stuck on the Windows Classic desktop.

    And you won't have access to the latest version of the IE rendering engine, meaning anything which tries to use the IE control will be using an old as piss version, complete with security holes.

    And several system services are disabled, some of which might be important for certain non-standard tasks.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh, and don't forget about how anything to do with .NET Framework will be broken completely, and .NET applications will refuse to run without so much as an error message! :specialed:

    Seriously, fuck TinyXP. Worst choice of OS I ever made.
     
  19. Sintendo

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    Can somebody explain to me what exactly they find bad about TinyXP? I've seen several people state that TinyXP sucks, but not a single one explained why. I've used it for a while myself, and it worked pretty okay for me.
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=509587:date=Sep 23 2010, 05:48 PM:name=Supakitsune)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Supakitsune @ Sep 23 2010, 05:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=509587">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=509331:date=Sep 22 2010, 08:14 PM:name=HighFrictionZone)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HighFrictionZone @ Sep 22 2010, 08:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=509331">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And you will be stuck on the Windows Classic desktop.

    And you won't have access to the latest version of the IE rendering engine, meaning anything which tries to use the IE control will be using an old as piss version, complete with security holes.

    And several system services are disabled, some of which might be important for certain non-standard tasks.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh, and don't forget about how anything to do with .NET Framework will be broken completely, and .NET applications will refuse to run without so much as an error message! :specialed:

    Seriously, fuck TinyXP. Worst choice of OS I ever made.
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    You must be using Christmas 2008 Edition or later. Rev 09 doesn't have these issues and it can run normal themes.
    Tiny7 is broken in terms of .NET Framework and other stuff though.