If Sega didn't make so many poor business decisions, would they be making consoles today?

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  1. gamerz31w

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    Oops sorry.
     
  2. SoNick

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    ...no? The forum's history is well documented on the wiki, we've been around since the late 90s when a kid from Hong Kong* found a ROM of a prototype version of Sonic 2 and released it to the internet. He added forums to his website either at release or some time after, I'm not sure which; I wasn't around yet at the time of the ROM's release. Sega was still in the hardware business at the time. The "Sonic Retro" name came from a project to combine several disparate places into one website: the Sonic Classic forums (a spinoff of Simon Wai's Sonic 2 Beta Page), the Sonic the Hedgehog Information Treasury** wiki, strange fanart-forum-thing Sonic Hot Dimensions, and a last-ditch attempt at reviving Jan Abaza's old Sonic Area 51 site. Stuff happened that's documented in the Wiki link and Sonic Retro (the wiki) became its own thing then started absorbing all of the SWS2B spin-offs to become Perfect Cell the site and forums that are around today.

    We existed before SEGA left the hardware business and any change in them leaving the hardware business would not have an effect on our existence.

    * I think Hong Kong? I know it was a Hong Kong site of some kind where he found the ROM and I'd feel like a stalker looking up where Simon was from before he moved to Canada after we've drifted so far apart over the years.
    ** Or was it "Sonic Hacking Information Treasury?" I heard the "Sonic the Hedgehog Information Treasury" name first myself, but on the SWS2B forums the "Sonic Hacking Information Treasury" name came up pretty often. Either way, the acronym was well-known lol
     
  3. gamerz31w

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    If Sega might still dominate eastern and Western hardware market would Dimps still be involved in Sonic Rush,Sonic Rush Adventure,Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 1 &2. Could they make even Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 3 which was cancelled? Could they'll be able to make more levels like 7 zones in sth4ep1 and 11 zones in sth4ep2 instead of just 5 zones? So both these games could be little bit longer?
     
  4. LordOfSquad

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    Yes! Yes yes yes, it's all true! We'd be on Sonic 4 Episode 13 with 72 levels by now if only we were in the proper timeline! Curse it all.

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  5. gamerz31w

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    Hahaha :) Lol XD.
     
  6. Overlord

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    Can you please put some thought into posts? People are laughing at you, not with you.
     
  7. gamerz31w

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    Well that .gif of Johnny from The Room one of scenes. Anyway I just wanted to know how might Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 1 & 2 might be looking like in alternative universe if Sega might be still doing hardware. I guess I just gave too much questions.
     
  8. LordOfSquad

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    I wasn't trying to be mean, it's just that none of us have any actual answers for all these wild ass hypotheticals lmao

    You're just gonna have to hope one of us finds a way to cross into parallel universes.
     
  9. gamerz31w

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    I have to admit I was sounding like weirdo. Because if I'm too much self aware of fact that something might still exist if some american-japanese big company like Sega make hardware,but they made a huge mistakes in past I should not give obvious questions. Anyway let's make conclusion of my posts how they should look like.
    If Sega might still be making consoles then Yuji Naka,Masato Nakamura,Tom Kalinske,Hideki Naganuma might never left Sega/Sonic Team,Sega might never partnership with Nintendo so this means no Sonic Advance 1,Sonic Advance 2,Sonic Advance 3,Gunstar Super Heroes on GameBoy Advance,no cross-platform playing,indie games like Spark the Electric Jester,Rad Rodgers,Cuphead,Freedom Planet 1,Freedom Planet 2,Dust An Elysian Tail could be more popular,Microsoft could never make Xbox so this means in this au scenario pc platforms like Steam,UPlay,Epic Games Launcher,GOG...etc. might be launched earlier probably,e-sports tournaments wouldn't be so popular,arcade machines might be released outside Japan instead of mobile gaming. I regret so much that I asked you too much obvious questions like dumb jerk. Well it's theory and I'm still just speculating.
     
  10. dredd

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    If Sega hadn't dropped out, would Microsoft have entered the console market?
     
  11. gamerz31w

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    I don't think so. According to gamecrate article of "
    WHAT IF SEGA NEVER LEFT THE CONSOLE BUSINESS?" which I guess I posted link earlier earlier before
    https://www.gamecrate.com/when-cons...e-upgrades-might-make-consoles-obsolete/24601
    So in this timeline Microsoft never entered the ring...etc.
    As for next article according to UbiSoft pc streaming(Steam Cloud will be competing with Google Stadia) will replace video game consoles and 9th console generation. However when Sony announced PS5 even this year it seems this japanese corporation is still thinking about PS6,PS7,PS8,PS9 and PS10. Even creator of Undertale and Deltarune speculated about PS13.
    Anyway I can share this link again if you guys want https://www.gamecrate.com/what-if-sega-never-left-console-business/17610
     
  12. SanicDerpy

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    Mircosoft was already thinking of joining the console market when the Dreamcast was in development despite it using Windows CE, the OG Xbox was known as "DirectX box" in development. Even if Sega still was still working in consoles they would still obviously would join the console market to compete with Sega as well as the likes of Nintendo and Sony.

    EDIT: I shouldn't act like a moderator here, however I don't think Sony would make SO MANY Playstation models (Your statement sounded like a stupid theory there), if that timeline you stated existed, we would still have 4 Playstation models today. I don't think those statements are true the article doesn't event state any of that.
     
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    1. Here let me prove it. https://pclab.pl/news78116.html it was written in polish it's my native language. So let me translate this article for you.
    2. Ubisoft: the next generation of consoles will be the last.
    3. Then just streaming. Gaming companies are increasingly loudly saying that the future of electronic gameplay is closely linked to the development of streaming technology. The opinion of Yves Guillemot, the president of Ubisoft, is part of this trend. According to a representative of the French company, only one generation of consoles separates us from the transition to streaming, which will be very difficult for many people to accept.

      The topic of streaming games was raised by Yves Guillemot in an interview with Variety website editor. The president of Ubisoft spoke very strongly about the future of the gaming market: - There will be another generation of consoles, and then we will all be streaming [games] - he said. He added that this technique will be able to use more users than now, so there will be no need to have specialized gaming equipment at home.
    4. Interestingly, Guillemot believes that streaming will allow faster development of the entire industry, which will be seen in particular in the case of high-budget productions. Thanks to streaming, all you need is a smartphone or TV set to play, thanks to which the number of potential customers will increase significantly. As an example of a company that is rapidly developing streaminge technology, Ubisoft CEO mentions Nvidia, which has its own GeForce Now platform.

    5. Guillemot may be right, of course, at the twilight of traditional gaming equipment, but console manufacturers are the last word. Here you can not see any specific moves that would indicate a quick transition to streaming. Importantly, Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are making money from selling devices, so it's hard to say if they'll get rid of this revenue with a light hand.
    6. https://tech.wp.pl/co-tam-ps5-sony-juz-zglosilo-znak-towarowy-ps6-ps7-a-nawet-ps10-6440325549414529a
    7. Screw PS5.(I'm just trying to provide better translation than Google Translator poor quality)
    8. What's up PS5. Sony has already applied for the trademarks PS6, PS7 and even PS10
      PlayStation 5 has not yet appeared in stores, and Sony is already protecting itself with the future in mind. Nobody will take away the names of their future consoles.

    9. The giant has patched(it should be registered trademarks instead) such names as PS6, PS7, PS8, PS9 and even PS10 in Japan. Are you already thinking about new consoles? Not at all. Sony simply protects itself in the event that a joker registers the PS6 trademark. And thus the company would have a problem, let's say in 2026, if the time came for a new console.

      Interestingly, Sony registered the "PS5" trademark in ... 2006. So 14 years before the planned launch of PlayStation 5. Then the name was taped together with PS4, which appeared in 2013. This shows well how far in advance you need to act.

      Although in this case Sony's operation is unusual. There were not so many trademarks registered before. How do you explain that? Not necessarily that Sony has changed its philosophy and will be releasing new equipment more often in the coming years. Perhaps it was recognized that once, trademark protection was not as important as it is now.
    10. What's after PS5?
      Calculations have already appeared on the network assuming that since the one generation cycle lasts seven years, the PS10 will come out in ... 2055. In the world of technology, looking ahead for more than five years seems crazy, but it's worth considering whether such a scenario is possible at all.
    11. Voices have been heard for years that the consoles we know are coming to an end. These will not be other devices connected to the TV, offering better components - as it should be in the case of PlayStation 5. All entertainment will move to the cloud.

      While 2-3 years ago such opinions were not taken seriously, now they do not seem so crazy. We remind you that Google announced the Google Stadia project. In turn, Microsoft has Project xCloud. Yes, Sony with a strong PS5 may be ready for the coming years, but with the appearance of the 5G network, playing in the cloud will cease to be a pipe dream.

      And then playing on any device - and not an expensive console - will not be an obstacle. Maybe Sony taped the names "just in case", but it may turn out to be completely unnecessary.
    12. Oops sorry I want to apologise you for causing some minor fact of Toby Fox speculating about Sony's ps14. At least he made some small progress of Deltarune Chapter 2. So I guess these news aren't still outdated at all.
    13. https://www.gamecrate.com/toby-fox-...ils-including-how-it-connects-undertale/21275
    14. So that's it for now.
     
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