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Discussion in 'General Sega Discussion' started by Andlabs, Aug 25, 2011.

  1. JaxTH

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    Jack shit.
    Well, I've personally always wanted these to be downloadable on the wiki since we have pages where these are listed under "Extra Content" and they always had the potential to be different.
     
  2. Black Squirrel

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    I don't think you can embed a TXT file on Mediawiki, so if they were uploaded, there'd be awkward extra clicks to download. For a file that's usually contains just a couple of lines (and you'd have to rename and categorise them all, and there'll be duplciates which Mediawiki will whine about).

    It would be "every CD dump" x 3. Meanwhile if you copy-paste the text, the list of things to maintain is three times less and you'd be able to read it in one go.
     
  3. Pobert-Eii

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    There's also whatevers going on in Loadstar... a weird shiftjis message in a american game
     
  4. Black Squirrel

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    Task 1: Template:ROMHeader

    Hidden Palace has these, but they have to type everything out by hand! Mine just takes hex characters and the wiki sorts the rest out:
    Code (Text):
    1. {{ROMHeader|53 45 47 41 20 4D 45 47 41 20 44 52 49 56 45 20 28 43 29 54 2D 31 33 20 31 39 39 32 2E 4D 41 59 53 49 44 45 20 50 4F 43 4B 45 54 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 53 49 44 45 20 50 4F 43 4B 45 54 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 47 4D 20 54 2D 31 33 30 38 33 20 2D 30 30 F9 86 4A 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 00 00 0F FF FF 00 FF 00 00 00 FF FF FF 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 4A 55 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20}}

    I could take this further and make it detect stuff. We have the official guidelines - I could get the wiki to tell us how many Mega Drive games were claiming to support tablets, trackballs and paddle controllers.

    ...not that these headers are actually trustworthy mind you. We know the dates tend to be wrong, so there's a good chance other parts are too.

    Saturn and Dreamcast also have headers but they use a slightly different format with less blank space. This handles Mega Drive, Mega-CD, 32X and Pico.
     
  5. Black Squirrel

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    ROM header

    People will know more about this stuff than I do - I just copy-edited Sega's official documents:

    https://segaretro.org/File:SegaGenesisSoftwareManual_1990-02-06.pdf
    https://segaretro.org/File:Genesis_Software_Manual.pdf
    https://segaretro.org/File:GenesisSoftwareManual.pdf
    https://segaretro.org/File:Genesis_Software_Development_Manual_Version_2.0_1991-07-09.pdf
    https://segaretro.org/File:Mega-CD_Disc_Format_Specifications.pdf

    And yes, support for Master System controllers and unreleased peripherals, and a load of modem stuff I couldn't be bothered to decipher.

    Anyway the reason I'm posting is because one of the requirements was to specify the type of software - is it a "game" (GM) or "educational" (AI). And uh

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    This isn't the first time Sega has associated "AI" with education. I don't know if it's some sort of misunderstanding of the concept (the computer is "educated" like humans?), but seems developers were subtly exposed to the Sega AI Computer's naming scheme.

    Whether any software is actually marked as AI is a different matter though.


    Also for the record Sega never called this "table" a "ROM header". In fact they didn't seem to have an official name for it - "identifier" is about as close as I can get.
     
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  6. Black Squirrel

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    Attempt 1:
    Spider-Man vs. The Kingpin (Mega-CD)/Technical information

    I'm not really sure this "information" is really very "technical", but it's a start. I called things "identifiers" - it might not be the best term. Maybe "identification" is better... and maybe it wants a dedicated subpage. Does the layout/templates/whatever suck? Have I written the wrong things? Let me know.


    The idea would be to repeat this for every dump (that has information to share).


    I don't think there's any official documentation online covering how the Dreamcast handles this topic. It would be great if some were found.
     
  7. I like the formatting, but I'm also at a loss as to what to call it; "Technical Information" doesn't instantly bring to mind what this data is, but then again what does?

    I'd almost suggest this should go in the main article for the game somewhere as part of a template instead of a subpage, but then I don't know where exactly it would fit in the example article nor do I know if that would cause headaches when sorting what data we do/don't have down the line.
     
  8. Black Squirrel

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    I'd prefer to keep it off the main page, just because when we encounter games with a bazillion translations and revisions, it's going to add a lot of scrolling. It shouldn't matter too much where these things live if we're going to start building fancy pants databases of the contents though.

    We could also go another level down, i.e. "xxx/Technical information/Identifiers" - the possibilites are endless.
     
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