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  1. Canned Karma

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    Felik, I get that. People don't think I do, but I get that all too well. I wouldn't have apologized for anything otherwise. And even the anger is the crux of it; you're all disappointed that the project you've followed even when you didn't want to still held some sway over you and then crapped on you for it. We didn't plan for it to go that way, but it did, we made a hash of things, and the result isn't pretty. I'm not putting myself or the staff here on a pedestal claiming you're all idiots, but for the responses I've gotten so far it certainly seems that way. What part of, "We screwed up on this, we're trying to learn from it" is so hard to understand? You can sit there and throw rocks all day, but at least give us credit for trying to work things out so it doesn't go this way again.
     
  2. Lapper

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    My anger stage is over.

    So once the alpha IS ready, you can release it... straight away? No countdowns?! yay.
     
  3. Canned Karma

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    Yes. We'll announce it with a download link attached.
     
  4. Slingerland

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    <!--quoteo(post=547337:date=Jan 16 2011, 04:04 AM:name=Canned Karma)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canned Karma @ Jan 16 2011, 04:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=547337">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What part of, "We screwed up on this, we're trying to learn from it" is so hard to understand? You can sit there and throw rocks all day, but at least give us credit for trying to work things out so it doesn't go this way again.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dude, welcome to the Internet. You will be receiving rocks for a while.

    Just wait until the tabloids return later.
     
  5. Canned Karma

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    I don't mind receiving rocks. I mind when people just dismiss what I'm trying to get across out of hand because it's fun to throw those rocks when there's an easy target.
     
  6. Slingerland

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    <!--quoteo(post=547341:date=Jan 16 2011, 04:11 AM:name=Canned Karma)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canned Karma @ Jan 16 2011, 04:11 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=547341">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't mind receiving rocks. I mind when people just dismiss what I'm trying to get across out of hand because it's fun to throw those rocks when there's an easy target.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I reiterate. Welcome to the Internet.
     
  7. Canned Karma

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    We've enjoyed our stay this long, we're not going anywhere. And thank you for validating my point.
     
  8. Felik

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    <!--quoteo(post=547341:date=Jan 16 2011, 12:11 PM:name=Canned Karma)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canned Karma @ Jan 16 2011, 12:11 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=547341">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't mind receiving rocks. I mind when people just dismiss what I'm trying to get across out of hand because it's fun to throw those rocks when there's an easy target.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So now you are the victim? You owe me this game, bitch! :argh:
    Just kidding, really. It's easy for me to joke since I'm not the Sonic 2HD contributor :rolleyes:
     
  9. Tweaker

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    <!--quoteo(post=547334:date=Jan 16 2011, 03:51 AM:name=Canned Karma)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canned Karma @ Jan 16 2011, 03:51 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=547334">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Tweaker, we'll be working closer with you and ScarredSun on a regular basis. We're not consciously trying to screw you over, but I do recognize that we have left you critically out of the loop. Considering you've supported us when damn few others wanted to, all this is one hell of a bitter pill to swallow. That's why I'm not trying to rebut anything you've said. I'll make an effort to keep you far better informed going forward.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Granted, but I hope you realize I'm not holding my breath here. I've seen plenty of words already; I'm ready for some action to show that your claim has any bit of legitimacy behind it.

    I don't want to seem like a pretentious douche, but I think it's safe to say at this point that this site is as notable as it is because we know what we're doing. It is beyond me how you could simultaneously realize and forget this at the same time, but whatever—the main point here is that we can probably help you more than you think, just as long as you keep us informed. Honestly—we've kept bigger secrets than surprises in a fan project before; it's beyond me how you could even remotely consider us a liability. Whatever, though.

    You guys are on thin ice in so many ways. Distancing yourself further away from the people with the ability and willingness to help you is a bad, bad idea. You don't trust us, we can't trust you. What's the benefit in that?
     
  10. Slingerland

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    <!--quoteo(post=547343:date=Jan 16 2011, 04:14 AM:name=Canned Karma)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canned Karma @ Jan 16 2011, 04:14 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=547343">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We've enjoyed our stay this long, we're not going anywhere. And thank you for validating my point.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I didn't say you were leaving, nor do I want you to leave and I especially didn't validate your point. I'm saying you shouldn't be surprised at this reaction. It's the Internet. You're not going to get asspats in this situation.
     
  11. zemulii

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    <!--quoteo(post=547337:date=Jan 16 2011, 10:04 PM:name=Canned Karma)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canned Karma @ Jan 16 2011, 10:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=547337">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not putting myself or the staff here on a pedestal claiming you're all idiots, but for the responses I've gotten so far it certainly seems that way. What part of, "We screwed up on this, we're trying to learn from it" is so hard to understand?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Excuse me? Tunnel vision. Not everyone is simply disappointed by the lack of a playable demo. But judging by your responses, that's the only problem you acknowledge. I really hope you do learn from it. But how many chances have you had to get things right now? It doesn't fill me with confidence. But good luck anyway... I hope you you manage to work something out with the admins for everyone's sake.
     
  12. Canned Karma

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    Tweaker: Exactly. Which is why I'm not going to add a lot of words for you in direct response. None of it would matter until things change for you and SS.

    I'll add in more tomorrow for everyone else.
     
  13. Chimpo

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    <!--quoteo(post=547337:date=Jan 16 2011, 01:04 AM:name=Canned Karma)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canned Karma @ Jan 16 2011, 01:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=547337">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Felik, I get that. People don't think I do, but I get that all too well. I wouldn't have apologized for anything otherwise. And even the anger is the crux of it; you're all disappointed that the project you've followed even when you didn't want to still held some sway over you and then crapped on you for it. We didn't plan for it to go that way, but it did, we made a hash of things, and the result isn't pretty. I'm not putting myself or the staff here on a pedestal claiming you're all idiots, but fmor the responses I've gotten so far it certainly seems that way. What part of, "We screwed up on this, we're trying to learn from it" is so hard to understand? You can sit there and throw rocks all day, but at least give us credit for trying to work things out so it doesn't go this way again.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It's really hard to forgive you when this project has been nothing but controversy due to the nature of how you treat the community. Yes, the failed reveal and disappointing trailer is very rage inducing but the real failure here is that once again you let the community down. It took nearly 3 hours to get a straight answer to the community from someone in the staff. A majority of the staff responses weren't helpful and one member plain out ignored the issue.

    This isn't so much about trailers and screenshots. It's more about that the S2 HD team once again failed to keep the community up to date on the status of the community project. You fucked up, but don't pretend this is the first time you've done something wrong and start playing the victim card on us. People are simply fed up with this.

    After 2 years, you still can't give a straight answer.
     
  14. Cinossu

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    <!--quoteo(post=547348:date=Jan 16 2011, 09:18 AM:name=Canned Karma)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canned Karma @ Jan 16 2011, 09:18 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=547348">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Tweaker: Exactly. Which is why I'm not going to add a lot of words for you in direct response. None of it would matter until things change for you and SS.

    I'll add in more tomorrow for everyone else.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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  15. Namo

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    Cinossu, your avatar at that moment - perfect.

    So yeah... I'm late. I woke up a half hour ago, and through my grogginess and deciphering of my odd dream, I suddenly shot up with energy. That Sonic 2 HD Thing is happening today, I said.

    Being the glosser-overer that I am, I was not aware that any playable demo was to be released. I just thought they were going to pull a Sonic 4 from the get go (not out of respite mind you, more because this is a huge project that I imagine is time consuming and having an alpha at this point would be wishful thinking). However. It appears that there was supposed to be one ready, and there's not. So I'm forced to eat half of my words. But even so - seeing these reactions, I can't lie and say that I fit in with half of the backlash.

    It's not my place to really say anything, but I'll offer in my words nonetheless.

    S2HD Guys - seriously, your relationship with everyone is almost worse than Sega's. Keeping everyone out of the loop is not a good idea. This is supposed to be a community project, yes? Then whatdefuck. If you can't keep the community in the loop, at least keep the Sonic Retro Staff and Admins in the loop. In all honesty, I thought they were in the loop all this time. I'm legitimately surprised to find out they are not.

    I'm not going to say the reactions - or language - in these past few hours are just. But come on. What's gone down tonight is not cool.

    EDIT: Although, I'll give credit where credit is due - what IS on the site is very good. Very very good. I love the title screen - it almost matches the art-style of classic Sonic art (like from the Sonic Screensaver) one for one.
     
  16. Flare

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    I concur with Namo, a community project that excludes the community is... well stupid. The whole game looks completely different from the last time I saw progress with the actual game and it really should be updated as it all went along... I think what everyone feels is like your acting like this is a company and your game when you owe quite a lot of this game to the members of this forum who helped with many aspects included the direction the game would go in graphically and musically.
     
  17. Lapper

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    <!--quoteo(post=547354:date=Jan 16 2011, 09:45 AM:name=Flare)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flare @ Jan 16 2011, 09:45 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=547354">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I concur with Namo, a community project that excludes the community is... well stupid. The whole game looks completely different from the last time I saw progress with the actual game and it really should be updated as it all went along... I think what everyone feels is like your acting like this is a company and your game when you owe quite a lot of this game to the members of this forum who helped with many aspects included the direction the game would go in graphically and musically.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, everything I drew went in the bin.

    Staff-only art is all I can see. I give up.

    <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>I also dislike the new flowers in the BG. =P</span>

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    For fun, Teaser Trailer MP4 to feast upon while you wait:
    <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?sr4lpvaewb1juaa" target="_blank">http://www.mediafire.com/?sr4lpvaewb1juaa</a>
     
  18. test-object

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    I was hoping Sonic Retro would react a bit more mature. I'm going to have Jim Sterling his right, you all ARE ungrown manchildren. At first I was willing to defend you but you all just have proven yourselves to be such. Yes, they failed to meet a deadline, yes, they hyped the hell out of a movie, but for the love of God are you people overacting. You hyped yourselves up for 6 men making a game next to their busy lives, non-professionally and without cash. Their PR sucks, I admit I never liked them pointing out 1 guy to do the "public relations". It looks pretentious and completely unnecessary. I'm not trying to talk anyone out of anything, but you guys are turning this into the bloody apocalypse. This is why other people on the internet hate you.

    ABOUT THE VIDEO/SCREENS:
    You know, at first the art style looked kinda unpleasant but it grows on me the more I watch the video. The background does feel rather empty, you might wanna check on that. This is HD, we can add detailed stuff now. The running animation looks great though, and so do the physics. The presentation of it all is done really well too.

    I am a bit put off by Robotnik's blue glasses. I know they're in the concept art but that really does look like shit :p
     
  19. TimmiT

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    Yesterday: Oh hey, Sonic 2 HD is going to be revealed tommorow, this could be neat.
    Today: ...Meh.

    I never expected much from this project, or the reveal, but I at least expected more than just a teaser trailer with only 10 seconds of footage and a couple of screenshots. I'm also still a bit skeptical about the art style. It's more stylized than before, but it still doesn't seem right to me. I'm not sure if I like it or dislike it.

    Also, like Namo said, I'm surprised you didn't inform the admins of Sonic Retro when this is supposed to be a community project.
     
  20. Lapper

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    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I am a bit put off by Robotnik's blue glasses. I know they're in the concept art but that really does look like shit :p<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Amen.

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I was hoping Sonic Retro would react a bit more mature. I'm going to have Jim Sterling his right, you all ARE ungrown manchildren. At first I was willing to defend you but you all just have proven yourselves to be such. Yes, they failed to meet a deadline, yes, they hyped the hell out of a movie, but for the love of God are you people overacting. You hyped yourselves up for 6 men making a game next to their busy lives, non-professionally and without cash. Their PR sucks, I admit I never liked them pointing out 1 guy to do the "public relations". It looks pretentious and completely unnecessary. I'm not trying to talk anyone out of anything, but you guys are turning this into the bloody apocalypse. This is why other people on the internet hate you.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That's exactly why we were so excited, we knew they are putting in a lot of effort.

    Dissapointment is why we are moaning, regardless of the fact what we can't play is fantastic.

    But still, maybe time will pass quicker, for the actual release.
     
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