General Project Thread & Feedback

hahahaha oh god

You people amaze me. You go ahead and hold to your shitty ideals. I'll be laughing nice and hard when the project fails.

By the way, I officially retract any work I have contributed towards this project. Please remove it from your database at once, if it's even uploaded there. Thanks!

 

Oh dear lord. Grow the fuck up.

 

Tweaker, stop being as shitty as me with those things >=[

Seriously, if you think that the game should stick so much to the original one, then it would be easier to just play the original one. The very only fact of remaking it at a higher resolution already makes it stop being like the original.

 

But a pause menu would destroy the feel of the whole game. It's much easier to hit alt+f4 than have a pause menu. I mean, why would we need a pause menu anyway, looking at a frozen image is awesome.

 

Jesus fuck it's a pause menu my good sir. It's not like we're asking for Shadow in the game along with an HD remake of Carnival Night Zone as a replacement for Casino Night

Or if some people REALLY don't like the idea of a pause menu, you could add an option in the options menu to disable the pause menu or not. Also, why would we need a pause menu. To restart the game. I hardly think a pause menu would "Destroy the feel of the whole game"

EDIT: I think a poll would be a good way to decide on what the people want for the game.

 

We need some sort of "restart level" function in a menu somewhere, though. Or would you all rather face this:

http://nomad-the-hedgehog.deviantart.com/a...7-quot-39225156

 

There is an argument against having any form of menu bar. That argument is that what retail game in the last 8 years has had a menu bar?

They're outdated. Not only that, but if this project is going to be designed with porting in mind, having options in the pause menu would make sense.

And could someone please tell me how a pause menu detracts from the game?

 

The pause menu isn't even the real point; but it stands for so much.

The "artists" working on this project have been ardent about merely replicating that which is only seen in pixel form in the original game, without a single thought for the composition or construction of the image, and only a fleeting reference to other artworks (Concept art etc.) and little to no other research (To the end of infcliting the poor Doctor with a pulsating shoulder tumour, no less!), and yet something as arbitrary as a pause menu, which is not present in the original game gets fiercely protected like this.

Talk about double standards! You guys obviously have no integrity to your beliefs. There's little wonder this project is a joke in IRC, and many memebers stopped contributing many moons ago.

 

I'm almost willing to campaign against a pause screen now, because I value your music contributions so highly Tweaker. I have complimented your creations many times. Remember, when this project first started, I brought to everyone's attention your creations and expressed my strong desire to have some of them included into the project.

I think that you are getting carried away by your passion for Sonic, Tweaker.

Luckily, the staff does not take naysayers very seriously. The staff in fact takes constructive criticism very seriously - but unfortunately, your comments have been anything but helpful. Lately, they have been rather sarcastic and negative Jayextee, which makes us the ones less likely to take you seriously.

 

God *Damn*, there's a lot of drama going off here. And over what? A pause menu? Fuck's sake....

I'm not siding with anyone, but going off topic with a load of drama isn't really helpful to the project.

If anything everyone involved should grow the fuck up. We've got a few people moaning about how it should be like this this and this, and it's only holding the damned project back.

Okay, the pause menu. Yeah, it wasn't in the original game, but you didn't need it then, since you had a nice reset button on the console. Someone pointed this out beforehand, and I completely agree with them. Since this would run on a PC, it'd be somewhat inconvenient to have to Alt+F4 or whatever. But, there are 2 suggestions for quitting the game that I've noticed; the on screen pause menu, and what I can only describe as a drop down menu from the top bar or something along those lines (I don't have Sonic and Knuckles Collection for PC, so I don't exactly know what it looks like...). BOTH are good ideas. But what really matters is getting the game to run nicely first before these ideas can be tried. So, rather than bicker pointlessly over something that isn't really important at the moment, why not concentrate on the fucking game engine and graphics FIRST.

Seriously, this isn't rocket science people.

 

*shakes his head in dismay at the past five pages*

 

Do you people realize that you are arguing over a Pause Menu? There are a lot of things that can be argued: The art, the music, the "EHZ grass like anime hair", new frames, the Hidden Palace Zone. But you are arguing over a Pause Menu?! With or without a pause menu this game is good, and most importantly this game is fun, with or without a pause menu. So why are you all arguing over this? You could also put an option to enable the pause menu and all the things this game will have that weren't in the original.

 

Temporary topic lock anyone? It doesn't solve anything, but nobody can solve anything with this kind of climate anyway (as we've proven).

 

The issue here is that Jay's concerns mirror mine exactly. The concept of the pause menu shows that there's absolutely no real reason for you to add useless perks like pause screens, especially when you so fiercely adhere to the original pixel layouts when making your art.

I see people acting like we should recreate "Genocide City" and whatever else. That's a neat idea, but it is not right for a project where its purpose is solely to recreate the original Sonic 2 with enhanced graphics and sound. That's all Sonic 2 HD should be. When I see it going in a completely irrelevant direction and the project leaders doing nothing about that—and, in fact, supporting such trains of thought—then it becomes clear to me that something is wrong here, and getting responses like I have that do little but defend everyone's pipe dreams of putting what they wanted into the game don't convince me in any way that things will be sorted out any time soon.

In my time as a project leader for Megamix, I've made a lot of decisions that may not have been popular. But they were the best I could make considering the overall future of the project. I don't regret any decision I've made, because the result product turned out so great! I want S2HD to succeed—I really do—but I don't see anything pointing towars its success thus far, nor do I want to be a project leader (as I've stated from the start).

You guys can say "WTF YOU'RE ARGUING OVER A PAUSE MENU!!!!!!!!" all you want, but you're only revealing yourselves to be ignorant, and oblivious to the actual point of this argument, which represents the projects direction as a whole. You can continue to spew vomit out of your mouth, or you can be constructive in solving the issue. I'm quite fond of Sik's solution, myself, since it makes a bit of sense (and sort of like how S3K PC handled it). Alternatives include Ctrl+R to restart, button combinations to restart a level... etc. There's many options that would be appropriate considering the PC platform, but it must be easier to not even think about considering them.

 

This is something that's been ready to break forth for a long time.

There's an elitist attitude by a lot of people on this forum. Sonic Retro as a whole. It's been affecting the number of contributers (two of our best pixel artists have been banned I believe). It's been affecting the speed which we work (everytime a piece of art, none of which should be considered "final" we have to break for people to post originalpixelfag over and over again). And it's be affecting the overall attitude of everyone who works on this project.

The good ideas are drowned out or ignored because they're either surrounded by people who don't want to change anything about Sonic 2 yet decry our works as being too close to the originals, or made by those very same people. It's frustrating and fankly makes it very hard to want to work on this project.

Of course these very same people say that the people who do the art for the project cause all of this, but hey, I don't know about the rest of our artists, but I'm open to ideas. New ideas, all ideas. Some will get shot down, but they're more than welcome and each one is important. I'm not creating a negative attitude towards this project. I'm turning down ideas until they're fully explored. But people like Tweaker are, without any authority from the project to do so.

While yes, this is part of the larger Sonic Retro forum, it's also a smaller team that's trying hard to get this done. All the background noise caused by the Sonic Retro community as a whole (which, like in this thread, is pretty much a forum raid (just look at the number of people viewing this thread. That's not normal) is going to be the downfall to this project, not the people running the project.

 

Two pixel artists? I don't know who the second one is (I don't remember banning them), but Sonica was banned for more than one reason. First off, the kid is 12; that's not why I banned him, believe me, but I banned him for exerting the immature behavior that 12 year olds usually tend to do on the internet. He was approved without consent from our top administrators, and was allowed to stay under the condition that he put more content to his posts. He failed to do this, however, and he was rid of accordingly.

After this, however, he didn't strive to improve—instead, he took it upon himself to bandodge multiple times and vandalize the wiki. Before this I was more than willing to give him a second chance, as I do to a lot of people, but after he pulled that shit he's shown that he's far from mature. He will not win me or anyone else over with pretty looking art when his attitude is so sour. But that is why Sonica will stay banned.

Any "elitist" attitude at Sonic Retro is solely for the purpose of locking out idiots. Any other opinions that appear elitist are simply that—opinions. If a strong opinion is something you consider "elitist," then I don't think you really know the true definition of the word. You can shift blame all you like if it makes you feel better, but unless the real issue is explored then you're not likely to solve anything.

The only "authority" I have on this project is the same "authority" that everyone else has—the freedom to voice thier opinion. That's what I'm doing. You don't see me deleting anything or removing your hosting, do you? Sometimes I think my opinions are considered deplorable simply because I'm speaking my mind whilst having admin privileges at the same time, and that having a viewpoint that isn't entirely positive will therefore make people at risk of being banned. There's nothing to worry about, I assure you. :P

(Of course, if that's not your concern then feel free to annoy this bit, but it's something that's been bothering me)

 

I'd most definately like to see Nitsuja and Upthorn do a TAS of this completed project. That would be visually stunning for a TAS, espicially if he plays it as he did his Sonic TASs on TASVideos.

 

I'm sorry that I was so naive as to ruin S2HD with a pause menu. I apologize, Tweaker.

I put this forward as I thought it was a good idea, but it divided the S2HD community, and resulted in one of the best contributers, one who inspired me to try, pulling out all his work.