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Discussion in 'Sonic 2 HD (Archive)' started by Vincent, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. LuckyLagomorph

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    Okay, so I needed to restart the chicken, this time in Illustrator. What a learning curve! Anyway, here's the new chicken. I tried my best to replicate the official art, what with NO feathers on the cheeks and curvy wings. I also made sure the beak was O shaped this time, so it's not like I ignored anyone.

    [​IMG]

    I haven't shaded this little guy yet, but I will soon once I figure out how to do that in Illustrator.
     
  2. Endgame

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    I think the way to get an accurate interpretation of the pixels of it facing forwards, have a look look at it - especially the wings - from the side view; although I don't particularly like the idea that the wings are one solid mass, it does give us an idea with how it would look in the forward view.

    [​IMG] This seems to be the way the wings look IMO: [​IMG]

    I the same could go with the eyes; you could try, instead of using a black outline, use shades for the outline of the eye, and perhaps we could then compare the two - to see which one people would prefer the best.
     
  3. Vincent

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    Did you receive my PM Sonuw? If you need the .AI template I'll be glad to send it again! ^^
     
  4. Hamneggs

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    To tell the truth, I rather miss the feathers on the wings and cheeks. Why did you omit these again? I mean, looking at what The Growler pointed out, What you had was more accurate, more specifically with the point highlighted in the middle sprite. I mean, now the chicken looks kinda like a fried egg with some interesting features. Even the red things looked more plausible according to the original sprites.

    Of course if you didn't do this just because of the swap to illustrator, then excuse me.
     
  5. LuckyLagomorph

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    The Growler: I think I know what you're talking about with the wings.I'll see what I can do. Also, for the eyes, I'll add some shades here soon.

    Vincent: Yeah I got your PM. That's one of the reasons for changing to Illustrator in the first place. I've been looking at the .ai file and the tutorials, so I'm slowly but surely learning how to do vectors.

    Hamneggs: I took out the feathers on the cheeks because they weren't on the official art of the chicken. As for the wings, I THOUGHT that's what it looked like in said art, but after another look I realize that they were pointed. Also, I think the whole "Egg" thing is because it's flat and not shaded yet.

    EDIT: Thanks to my carelessness, Illustrator stopped working, and I didn't save the chicken. So now that I lost it all, I have to remake it AGAIN! *sigh* I'll get started again.
     
  6. ICEknight

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    Well, the original looked fine without those.
    [​IMG]
     
  7. Endgame

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    Aaah, thank you ICE, I bet that'll be most helpful to Sonuw! :)

    So it seems there was no feathers on the cheeks after all.
     
  8. LuckyLagomorph

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    Here is the REDRAWN chicken, again! This time I'm back to pointed wings, and I made two versions: one with feathers on the cheeks and one without. Please note that they are STILL not shaded, but I also added an outline to the eye so they can be seen a little better. Hopefully that's what you meant, Growler.

    [​IMG]

    ...is it just me, or does the chicken look...light?
     
  9. Vincent

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    It happened me 2 times, then I've started to regularly save every 10 minutes of work! ;)

    Before you go with shading, my suggestion is to define better the beak's aspect (it looks like a 90° rotated "O".) and the legs.
    Oh, and *no cheek* for me! ;)
     
  10. LuckyLagomorph

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    Alright, made the beak not so "O"ish, and changed up the feet a little. There is not a pic of the chicken with the feathered cheeks this time because I REALLY need to try to follow the official art than my own personal interests.

    [​IMG]
     
  11. Hamneggs

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    Well if you want to get a similar look to the artwork you posted, you best get shadin'.

    And also, if you look at the original sprite, the cheeks are a bit more pointy.
     
  12. I think the eyes should be closer together and leave more space on the right and left side of his head, as seen in the photo. The red thing on his head should form more of a point near the front, like a Mohawk, unless you plan to work that out with shading. Also, his mouth is open too much, like a donut. It should be wide-open less, like the original sprite, and be made more open by shading the corners of the beak. The "armpit" is too "fat" and the feet show no sign of a leg. Sorry if that's a lot of criticism my sweet child.

    BTW, where can one access the source where the images of the chicken were derived? I recall galleries of these official works somewhere...
     
  13. LuckyLagomorph

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    Oh no, it's all good. Your long criticism helped.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Hamneggs

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    Now look back at the original sprite. You have taken steps away from it with the Mohawk, and using the color palette of the illustration. Ask yourself, are we making a version of sonic where we take all the versions of the characters from cartoons and comics, or are we actually trying to increase the resolution of what was there to begin with?

    Sorry for the rant, but...
     
  15. test-object

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    Give it a smaller and rounder body with more emphasis on the thin legs, make the wings more worthless (like it's been plucked, but still white in colour) and add more shading. Also, rounder cheeks.

    Give it a go, mate.
     
  16. LuckyLagomorph

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    This will be my only edit for tonight, since I got a lot of stuff to do later on that will take me till at least 1:00 AM in my time to complete.

    Hamneggs: You're suggesting to me that I try to only look at a very small pixelated image to make even smaller tweaks. The official art is used to help in terms of those tiny details that you just cannot see on the pixelated animal. Not following the larger art just creates...well, chaos! I'm sorry, but I'd rather follow more than one tiny image to get the details right.

    Test object: I did everything BUT the shading. I'm wanting to get the proportions correct before I get to work on that.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Canned Karma

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    Here's a comparison for what the reference goal on the animals is art-wise:

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    So there is some flexibility for artistic license. Obviously the tufts of hair on the head and cheeks couldn't be shown in the pixel art, but they were in <a href="http://&quot;http://sanik.hacking-cult.org/inker/data/1218973102ricky.png" target="_blank">the concept art</a> for Ricky. By all means, continue using the official art as the main reference!
     
  18. Scarred Sun

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    Welp, this.
  19. Hamneggs

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    Okay, Y'all are right about using "official" artwork to model these remasters off, or so I concluded during my early morning history class. But are those pictures really official, those of the chicken? I mean, look at the one on the right. It looks like something I would make in paint. And the others, they look more official, but only so much as they might be a version McDonald's capitalized on for their HappyMeals in '92. So Sonuw, don't really use those pictures as your main reference. Use the actual remake of the squirrel instead. C'mon, that thing is cute!
     
  20. Vincent

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    Besides the 4x frameset this is the only in-game art related to him:
    [​IMG]

    My suggestion is to focus your work on the donut beak, and give some life to his eyes expression.
    After you've made those changes, cut his body shades in half and mirror it (so plumes and cheeks will look even).

    P.s. Pay attention to use a brighter palette. Is your color profile RGB?

    Feel free to post here your experiments! :)