Gamasutra's interview with Drossin

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  1. Sik

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    <a href="http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25235" target="_blank">Interview: Game Musician Drossin, From Sonic To Afro Samurai</a>

    I'd go more into details about this but I think that this part is the most interesting of all for us:
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>In that he was rumored to be involved in making the soundtrack to Sonic 3?</b>

    When I first came to Sega, like right when I got there, one of the things I was told was that I was going to be working with Michael Jackson. Now, for me, when I grew up, Michael Jackson's "Dancing Machine" was the shit, so I was like "Cool!" Then the news broke about the strange things going on and I was told, "You're not going to be working with Michael Jackson."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    :v:

    EDIT: screw it, this happens to me for not reading it all.
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>Do you think there might be any validity to the rumors that he was involved in the making of the soundtrack?</b>

    As far as I know he had nothing to do with the project. But I know that there are people out there that are convinced that he did. I know that some fans have done an analysis of the Sonic 3 songs and they say it's the same song as something or other, but when you're analyzing some simple chords you can skew it any way you want.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Either way, I assume this is better than just speculation, right?
     
  2. Overlord

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    OK, so basically he was told he would be working with MJ, then told he wasn't after all, but he didn't know what MJ was gonna work on? I'd say that this matches up perfectly well to the MJ-starting-on-S3-then-being-removed theory.
     
  3. Sorry there are way too many coincidences to dismiss - don't care what anybody say. It's not just simple chords either-= look at the complex brass filler in CN Zone.
     
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    What convinces me more than anything else are the sampled portions of Michael Jackson music. If nothing else, <I>those</I> are too uncanny to simply dismiss as coincidental.
     
  5. Sik

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    If you <b>really</b> want to look proof like that, better look into this:
    <a href="http://srb2town.sepwich.com/junk/icecap1_fm1.ogg" target="_blank">http://srb2town.sepwich.com/junk/icecap1_fm1.ogg</a>

    That's what plays in the first FM channel at the beginning of Ice Cap 1.
     
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    Added to the wiki: <a href="http://info.sonicretro.org/Howard Drossin interview by Gamasutra (September 22, 2009)" target="_blank" style="background: url(http://info.sonicretro.org/images/5/50/Reticon.png) right no-repeat; padding-right: 20px; border-bottom: 1px dotted #3366BB; color: #3366BB; cursor:pointer; text-decoration:none;" class="wiki">Howard Drossin interview by Gamasutra (September 22, 2009)</a>
     
  7. OSM

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    Too many proven coincidences, I refuse to believe MJ didn't have any involvement with the music.
     
  8. muteKi

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    <!--quoteo(post=353733:date=Sep 22 2009, 04:36 PM:name=Tweaker)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tweaker @ Sep 22 2009, 04:36 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=353733"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What convinces me more than anything else are the sampled portions of Michael Jackson music. If nothing else, <I>those</I> are too uncanny to simply dismiss as coincidental.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This just in! Carnival Night's music was secretly composed by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrance_of_the_Gladiators" target="_blank">Julius Fučík</a> and all modern Sonic music was secretly done by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen_break" target="_blank">"G.C." Coleman</a>.

    I'm of the opinion that they didn't <I>completely</I> scrap his music, but they modified it fairly heavily. However, Jackson being uncredited isn't a ridiculous theory, it's just that that's a bad reason to support it.
     
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    I said <I>sampled</I> portions, not borrowed melodies. There is a sample in Carnival Night's music—namely one of the samples that sounds like an orchestral hit—that is directly sampled from Jam. You can even hear the vocalist <I>say</I> "Jam" in the sample! There was a huge topic on this very discovery a couple of years back.

    Aside from that similarity, Shade and Qjimbo found several <I>other</I> DAC samples that were ripped from various MJ tunes. There was a website dedicated to showcasing this, but I'm not quite sure if it still exists. It'd be a good idea if it were rehosted and publicized in some form.
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=353805:date=Sep 22 2009, 07:29 PM:name=Tweaker)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tweaker @ Sep 22 2009, 07:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=353805"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I said <I>sampled</I> portions, not borrowed melodies.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I countered with the amen break. It's a sample. :P
     
  11. OKei

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    <!--quoteo(post=353805:date=Sep 22 2009, 04:29 PM:name=Tweaker)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tweaker @ Sep 22 2009, 04:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=353805"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Aside from that similarity, Shade and Qjimbo found several <I>other</I> DAC samples that were ripped from various MJ tunes. There was a website dedicated to showcasing this, but I'm not quite sure if it still exists.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You mean <a href="http://sonicresearch.org/basement/?p=mj_s3" target="_blank">this one</a>, Sonic Basement.Net right?

    Anyways, I think this dude is only just covering his own skin cause he probably thinks MJ's companies or Sega is gonna come after him. I absolutely <I><b>refuse</b></I> to debunk Michael Jackson's presence in the creation of the soundtrack after <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1_mNirAgC0&feature=channel_page" target="_blank">mixing and hearing this myself</a>.
     
  12. Sik

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    To all those saying that Drossin is trying to cover up MJ, remember what Overlord said earlier in this thread:
    <!--quoteo(post=353714:date=Sep 22 2009, 04:53 PM:name=Overlord)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Overlord @ Sep 22 2009, 04:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=353714"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->OK, so basically he was told he would be working with MJ, then told he wasn't after all, but he didn't know what MJ was gonna work on? I'd say that this matches up perfectly well to the MJ-starting-on-S3-then-being-removed theory.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->If I recall correctly once Drossin said that he entered Sonic 3's development pretty late, so it's possible that there are songs made by MJ in Sonic 3 from before Drossin joined.
     
  13. XCubed

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    <!--quoteo(post=353805:date=Sep 22 2009, 07:29 PM:name=Tweaker)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tweaker @ Sep 22 2009, 07:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=353805"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I said <I>sampled</I> portions, not borrowed melodies. There is a sample in Carnival Night's music—namely one of the samples that sounds like an orchestral hit—that is directly sampled from Jam. You can even hear the vocalist <I>say</I> "Jam" in the sample! There was a huge topic on this very discovery a couple of years back.

    Aside from that similarity, Shade and Qjimbo found several <I>other</I> DAC samples that were ripped from various MJ tunes. There was a website dedicated to showcasing this, but I'm not quite sure if it still exists. It'd be a good idea if it were rehosted and publicized in some form.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I forget the name of the song (I was suppsed and didn't add it to any of my youtube playlitsts) but there was another sample not included on the sonicbasement.net page. It was a drum sample from the Knuckles Theme/Sonic 3 Mini Boss that was identical, although it lasts a whole 2 seconds in thsi song (which came out years after Sonic 3). I'll try to look for it once I'm home.


    <!--quoteo(post=353971:date=Sep 23 2009, 12:24 PM:name=Sik)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sik @ Sep 23 2009, 12:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=353971"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To all those saying that Drossin is trying to cover up MJ, remember what Overlord said earlier in this thread:
    <!--quoteo(post=353714:date=Sep 22 2009, 04:53 PM:name=Overlord)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Overlord @ Sep 22 2009, 04:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=353714"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->OK, so basically he was told he would be working with MJ, then told he wasn't after all, but he didn't know what MJ was gonna work on? I'd say that this matches up perfectly well to the MJ-starting-on-S3-then-being-removed theory.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->If I recall correctly once Drossin said that he entered Sonic 3's development pretty late, so it's possible that there are songs made by MJ in Sonic 3 from before Drossin joined.
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    Drossin entered late so I <strike>think</strike> know the MJ shit hit the fan before he began working.

    "JAM!" is the only conclusive evidence we have...but really, isn't that all we need as proof of MJ's involvement? No matter if A-song sounds similar to B-song and whether we agree of disagree, this little sample of an ear drum pleaser ends all speculation. YES MJ had involvement.....but the only questions we should be asking now is WHAT he had direct involvement with. Carnival Night Zone is 100%.....everything else are maybes because of similar chords/etc.
     
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    Absolutely, that one little smash in Carnival Night pretty much sums it up for me.
    Even before ever reading about any MJ involvement, or anything, the first time I heard that in-game, I knew exactly where it was from.

    It's possible that MJ worked on some stuff before Drossin got there.
    It's also possible that MJ wrote new stuff for the Moonwalker game, but they never used it, asked for permission, and reused it here.
    It's even more plausible that one of his musician/production members happened to be working on Sonic 3.
    Aw, heck, it's all a big mess.
    We'll probably never get the answer to this one.

    ..

    But, they DID change it in S3K, didn't they..
    Go Conspiracies!!!!
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=354064:date=Sep 23 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Jayenkai)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jayenkai @ Sep 23 2009, 02:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=354064"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->But, they DID change it in S3K, didn't they..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I believe you're referring to Sonic 3 & Knuckles Collection for PC, not S3K.
     
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    Looks like some people forgot that the ending to Sonic 3 <b>is</b> Stranger in Moscow.

    Any other evidence just adds to this.
     
  17. muteKi

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    Yes. If you only count the chord progression in that song's verse.

    But then again, so is Coral Cave (Rush Adventure), really, by that standard.
     
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    Something just hit me and I can't believe I never realized it before.

    Do you guys think the songs that were changed in Sonic & Knuckles collection were ones that <b>directly sampled MJ's music?</b> Because I just thought about it and that makes perfect sense—the Sonic 3 credits sample a portion of his voice, Carnival Night samples a portion of Jam, Ice Cap has one his samples as well if I recall, Knuckles' theme has a correlation... the list goes on!

    Granted, this doesn't explain instances like the competition music, and maybe this is just a secondary correlation... but that is definitely food for thought that I'd never actually considered before.
     
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    As far as I know, people noticed that before. And yes, that's a possible explanation. There's MJ also in Launch Base.
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=354242:date=Sep 24 2009, 03:53 PM:name=Tweaker)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tweaker @ Sep 24 2009, 03:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=354242"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Do you guys think the songs that were changed in Sonic & Knuckles collection were ones that <b>directly sampled MJ's music?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Certainly the ones changed for the collection were unique in that every other track used that same kick and snare combo.
     
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