Eddie Lebron's Fan Film, "Sonic"

I agree. Its hard to believe that I invested my leisure time responding to every hate comment in such elaborate detail on why this fan film was going to succeed. But most of that hate transcended from the people I originally worked with. Or should I say, person since hes soly responsible for sabotaging my work. God damn, I regret ever meeting Spax or even allowing him to "assist" me with my project. Chances are the fan film wouldnt have received so such bile if I just hired people from craigslist or something. Cause none of this blackmail, encyclopedia dramatica bullshit would've happened. To this day, him and his croonies continue to harass me and my friends in the most horrific ways that I wont get into. The fact that he STILL holds a grudge against me from shit that happened 5 years ago is just ridiculous. So in that regard, Eddie was wise to just ignore the online threats.

 

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I really respect Eddie for going out and doing what he loves, but this is just wrong on so many levels as a Sonic video.

 

Spax never really grew up, did he? :v:

 

No he did not. I'd say he got worse.

 

Knowing that hes actually credited in Eddie's movie is very unsavory to me, especially after all the recent turmoil he caused with me and his own friends.


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Wanna know what justified my reasons for cutting him from my project? He was stubborn, crass, unprofessional, immature, threw pointless tantrums, insulted artists/voice actors on skype, procrastinated with his load of the work, and hardly put effort into anything he did. Ever since then, hes been purposely trying to sabotage my projects by trolling, monitoring activity, having his goons relay personal info to use as blackmail, and getting my friends and family involved. To this day, he still pulls this crap and Im glad his friends are realizing how much of a loose cannon he is.

 

I'm uneducated on spax, what he has done, what he is known for, and all of that. If I need to be educated on the matter, PM me since I don't condone any type of internet trolling or bullying. That being said, the thread can go back on track!

 

Hmm...I wonder...

 

I debated going point-by-point as to what I liked/what bothered me about this film, but I think this review pretty much covered it all. Not much left to say.

 

So uh...

I said I apologized. Yeah, well...

I apologized for the whole SatAM Sonic stuff.

But... I think I'm going to be a lot less apologetic riiiight... now.

Good review. But just one little thing:

You know, I still wonder where this assumption of Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik not being in character if he kills someone or an entire race came from, but I want it to stop.

Goofy looking character, yes. Villains who have had a high rate of killing people have had goofy ass costumes. The Joker being the biggest example, even as far back to the original Batman when this stuff was aimed at kids. Costumes in GENERAL are silly looking. That's right, even Darth Vader's. Silly, yes, but cool as hell.

AND... It's not like Robotnik doesn't have a huge Death Machine. It's in the name itself: Death Egg. Parody? Yes. But when it's parodying a thing that did THIS...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZFHTa6TfA[/youtube]

...Then there's proof enough that he's not. above. KILLING. ANYTHING. And this is among other things in his repertoire such as bombing an entire forrest in search of the Chaos Emeralds to power this thing and electrocuting the guy that he fooled into helping him out.

Goofy ass villain? I think SatAM was actually on to something. Fallen hero character? I'll take that, but don't take away the idea that he can kill. He's not above it. He never was above it. For the last fucking time, Robotnik is able to do terrible things.

 

This is straying off topic again, but David - remember the OVA Robotnik? Goofy as all hell - but he wanted to totally destroy the Land of the Sky. I believe Knuckles said something about the continents being "blown to pieces".

I'm not trying to argue about Robotnik's personality (he literally doesn't have one; he's fictional, and acts however Sega needs him to to sell games). I'm just saying that his goofy game version has been coupled with being pretty damn cold-hearted in the past, and it worked.

I'm also not defending the Sonic Fan Film's portrayal, which I found to be cliche.

 

THANK YOU. Regardless of how I view the OVA due to things like Metal Sonic, you at least understand and bring up very valid points.

It's just that their continuity has itself completely fucked over since 1998 because of how market heavy this franchise has been that it's forgotten what it was like then until now.* Yes, Eddie's Robotnik is cliche, but it at least remembers that Robotnik is not above destroying things. Actually, did he have a reason to want to destroy the Land of the Sky beyond living on some planet of some sort and greedy ambition and weird pedophilia-ish material (I do believe Sara was younger than 18)? Sounds like Robotnik plus weird Japanese culture attached.

Oh, the Death Egg wouldn't have shot a laser down on Earth/Mobius? Then why call it Death Egg? Why not the Egg Star? With as simple as you want this franchise to be that implies that he meant to cause Death. Egg Star is vague enough to not even include that connotation.

Yes, that material wasn't so incredibly dark to include graphic killings.** And? I don't want that to be the norm of Sonic either. But holy shit, I want Robotnik to not be afraid to do anything to achieve his goals anymore. I don't want him to be usurped so fucking easily anymore. I want a villain who can stand up against his opposer with a fighting chance again. Challenge? Yeah, sure. He could want that. But he turned his back on Knuckles without even caring even if he did kill him. My point still stands.

*The only problem I'm having is that the games are still not as developed as they should be. Otherwise, I've liked what's happened to Robotnik lately. Selfish and greedy, and not worried about how he'll screw someone else over in his ambition and definitely not above killing people. Anything to achieve his popularity as a "hero". I just wish he'd be a little more ambitious and really not want Sonic in his way and actually pose something of a challenge to Sonic if he wants a challenge for himself. Challenge the player, not the CPU that the player's fighting against.

**Which to expound upon, Adventure Time surprisingly gets away with this. So... why shouldn't Robotnik be allowed to do that, regardless? I think I smell a bit of double standard here.

 

And in Sonic Adventure 2, he fuckin' pushed that button and laughed like a maniac while declaring a new era for the Empire of Eggman.

He's PERFECTLY capable of committing genocide.

 

These walls of text are too tiring to read. Are we debating if videogame Robotnik is capable of harming or killing?

Yeah, he is. He's always wanted Sonic dead, though less as of recent as he's developed a lot of respect for the hedgehog. He's not above blowing things up and threatening, and if pushed will go to extremes like pulling a gun on Amy or sending Sonic to his death in space by blowing up his space pod.

That said, he is a very confused character. Often he joins up with Sonic and gang when he realises that the world is at stake- he is very aware that he is part of the human race and is crushed when he realises his grandfather helped Black Doom. He was also guilty of lying to Shadow about his origins and apologises to him gravely for doing so. He has an odd set of morals and he won't side with anything which threatens the earth in such a way where his plans will become impossible, yet he's happy to blow up Station Square and kill people in the city (though this is more of an indirect result of his actions).

He's not really for the mass killing of people in cold blood (why do you think he demonstrated the Eclipse Cannon on the moon instead?), though he is more happy to send his robots or machines out and turn a blind eye if something did happen- he is very careless. He is also childish, and like children, the seriousness of his actions don't seem to register. It's almost like he's pushing his boundaries because he knows Sonic will prevail, and is pushing it until he does win. He'll probably get bored once he does win, as he shows that he misses Sonic in some circumstances.

And the Death Egg- that's a homage to the Death Star. There was never anything until Sonic Battle to show that the Death Egg had a laser on it and even then it was the Death Egg III. Previously everyone assumed it did because everyone watched Star Wars.

But yeah, the Death Egg is a serious weapon of some kind. At least it's the base of his operations and the storage for his battle mechs at the very least. He is happy to kill Sonic and Tails and any other heroes who stand in his way as pests, but there's nothing to suggest he would use it on the civilians and animals of earth. It's a menacing and intimidating contraption, one that he could use to gain power over everything else with fear alone if he needed.

 

I don't necessarily mind the idea Eggman reinterpreted as an extremist genocidal dictator, or willing to commit murder (launching Sonic out of the Ark is still one of my favorite moments in the series), but I do think it's an issue that a lot of the creative decisions made in the film directly undermine trying to play the character seriously.

Julian Kintobor was always a really hokey justification for the name Robotnik in the western fiction. It isn't any less ridiculous when someone says it with a straight face shadowed on a TV monitor. The Classic Eggman outfit with the triangle cape and mickey mouse pants is supposed to be utterly ridiculous, and I have to imagine it was only chosen over the SA outfit either to avoid evoking 06 or because it was cheaper to design. And a madman who's apparently trying to rule by fear, firepower, and assimilation...why does he still use robots shaped like cartoon animals? Why do the buzzbombers fire bullets with the speed and fanfare of dispensing soda? What function could the motobugs serve besides tripping people, as they're small and completely unarmed? Why do the Gammabots look so ill-equipped to fight the humans they're oppressing?

He also seems completely out of place as a villain to Sonic. Sonic as a constant in adaptations lives to laugh in the face of danger and make Eggman mad in a humorous fashion. SatAM Robotnik is malicious, but he's still obnoxious when his plans succeed or fail, and they even gave him Snivley as someone he could bitch and moan to. Sonic and his nemesis are both larger than life in their heroics and villainy, and the blue guy exists to make sure Eggman makes an ass of himself in public. In a world where Sonic is exponentially the hammiest guy in the universe and Robotnik is just an isolated man stuck behind a monitor with his droning robots...it doesn't quite work.

 

See Toys.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juk8R28_RuM[/youtube]

Again, Joker + Toyman + Penguin = Robotnik.