Discussion in 'Project: Sonic Retro (Archive)' started by Chimpo, May 4, 2009.
-Your Former Leader Rick
One tight squeeze on the love plums is the cure.
..Former leader, eh?
This is lol
Does this mean Project: Sonic Retro is finally dead?
Congratulations Chimpo. This is the exact reply we all expected from a leader
I really don't understand you.
We were bitching out for months about a damned pixel, but after the Mar 1 2009 (the date you changed the forum again) we stopped doing this, and actually started to do our job.
Then, for reasons unknown, you went away, only to return today and erase every topic you created, basically erasing the whole project.
We stopped bitching, but you leaved.
We worked, but you didn't.
You turned this into Sonic Chimpo, but then stopped caring.
And know you kill the project.
Sorry but I'm not accepting this.
Project: Sonic Retro had the chance of being something special. A fangame, true, but a fangame aimed to exactly understand and replicate what makes the 16-bit titles what they are.
This is something that if I saw on any other forum beside this I would have laugh a lot.
But not on this one. Here, the best programmers (the one who can replicate the Sonic engine on every programming language, improving it to its limit), the best musicians (the ones who understood what makes a music a Sonic music, and can compose them by themselves), the best artist (the one which can create sprites and artwork that can't be distinguished from the original) are all together, in one forum.
This was the only community that could have made this possible.
DAMMIT. Am I truly the only dreamer here?
Am I truly the only one who believed for a moment we could make something special, and not just the usual fangame?
No. I refuse to accept this.
You think to give us the guilt of the project death, thinking you haven't any responsability. But you're wrong.
You give up? Fine, but don't bring the project with you.
We can't use your things anymore? Fine, we will create our own sprites (or create even better ones. Finally we will not use that horrible sprite anymore).
I'm not the only one who wants to still work with the project, and we all will keep this project alive.
I want to keep the project alive, even if that means I'll be the only one to do things.
Sonic Chimpo is dead, but Sonic retro is not.
Heh... Who am I kidding. This is not a decision we have to take. It is all in the hands of the higher-ups.
What can we truly do alone? We don't even have the ability to create new topics!
There just couldn't had been a more stupid way to kill this project.
It seems that there's trouble regardless of who leads it (obviously referencing the past leaders of this project, including Sonic 4). I don't know whether or not this project is going to be handed over to a new leader and restarted yet again, I guess the only thing is to wait and see.
To be honest, I thought the main problem was the lack of contribution, there were only a hand full, lately, who had the talent to contribute to the project, I don't even think there were a great deal programmers who were willing to use the E02 Engine (Correct me if I'm wrong) This project, in my opinion, fizzled out. Yeah, it might be a good idea to have a completely fresh start, just not right now.
This idea sounded good on paper, but was executed horribly. We haven't advanced anywhere in a LONG time.
But this happened because the project lacked a true leadership.
You can't ignore this thing. Every project, to being able to go anywhere, needs a solid leadership. A leader must give his take on everything, not just when he feels to.
This is not something only Chimpo lacked.
Every past leader made a similar mistake. Each one different than the other, but they all did.
I have so much to say, so I don't say anything.
I was jus't starting to accept, how you see sonic retro.
Chimpo gave up...
What about Rave or Matwek?
You guys are all blaming Chimpo for this, saying that he gave up and was making the project his own. But the truth is, you guys are all just stupid.
I didn't see much work going into this project; it looks like there were, like, a few posts a WEEK, with barely ANY containing some fresh, new, original content. You guys can't just sit around and criticize while other people do the work for you. And yet, you did. This project was practically doomed to failure in every incarnation; At first it was too strict, then it was too lax, and now that it seems to be at a good balance, nobody bothers doing shit. So... yeah. Yeah. Yeah...
The rest of this post is tl;dr
I was under the impression that at some period, Chimpo had to deal with some real life issues. After that, he saw that the forum was a "disorganized mess", and removed (not deleted, mind you) most of the topics, to give everyone a central focus. A good idea on paper, but...
...oh wait, you said today. Well, considering the lack of activity...
Allow me to regurgitate some facts; before Chimpo took over, there were constant clashes between what people wanted. Everyone has a different vision of a Sonic 4, after all. That is why the project became, as you eloquently put it, "Sonic Chimpo"; to steer everyone in one direction.
Let's stop this again. Now we need new leader.
And let's go back to business.
So Chimpo deleted all his threads? lol wow, that's something I expect a 12 year old to do.
Good going Chimp.
That's what I hope. This project seemed to be dead for a while now.
All right, I'll try to be more specific.
If the project steered in the direction of Sonic Chimpo, as I said, don't you think that, maybe, Chimpo must be present?
Originally the project was very different, and I disagree with many choices Chimpo made. But I helped when I could.
But, let's say we all complete, for example, the Sonic Sheet. What if, after that, Chimpo arrives and says "this is not what I wanted, do it again". This is his project, and he has the final word on everything. He must tell us if we are doing what he wanted, or else we don't know if what we are doing is good.
I don't understand why you all insist that a leader must not be omnipresent. Look at Sonic 2 HD. Vincent is always there to validate every new piece of art. He gives directions on how to improve every art posted. In this way everyone knows what they have to do.
But look at the current topics:
If test-object hadn't wrote what was the problem of the look up animation I posted, I would have never known that it needed some fixes.
Disorganized mess? Yeah, of course. Everyone started to post their own things without following the guidelines. No one actually continued what was been doing before
Disorganized mess? Where, Roxharis? What have we done for messing the project? Would you be so kind to show when this project gone messed, or when we started to ignore Chimpo's guidelines?
We kept doing what we were asked to do. Yet, it could have been better if, after completing something, we had a clear idea on what we needed to do after. But yeah, its our fault. We should have continued to post the same thing over and over.
Again, to avoid the project steering out of the "good" direction, you must be present, otherwise the contributors don't know what to do, especially if so different from the original plan.
Because, you know, everyone has a different vision on Sonic 4, but Chimpo's one is so different that this project should've been renamed Sonic Advance 4, not Sonic 4. There is nothing that could be remotely similar to the classic games here, besides, ironically, the 2 Badniks completed, since Chimpo never cared about them. But wait, don't they seem out of place with the level art or the character art? Yes they do. And you know who should have said this? The leader.
And know I'm going to say something I'll repent one day, but:
What have you contributed, Roxahris, to the project? You don't have any right to speak here. You are no one in this project. And even if you did something in the past, you abandoned the project lately.
So, we will be glad if you stop pretending you know everything.
And besides Diablohead is right.
Today Chimpo acted like a 10 years old spoiled boy.
You know STHX instead of bitching about stuff how about you try to make this project come alive. You seem to care about it a lot. You can talk all you want but until you do something that's all it's going to be, talk.
Okay, first, we have to decide new leader.
Let's start this. What about collecting candinates now.
using this topic. Then vote?
I care a lot about the project.
I would even draw a full Sonic Sheet, or all the badniks by myself if it keeps the project alive.
Hell, if no one is chosed I can even be the next leader if that means it will save the project.
But I can't, because I don't know where the project will go. Chimpo gave up, and probably a new leader is needed.
But it is Tweaker (and of the other admins) decision to let this project to live.
Only he can give mod powers to one of us so that he/she become the next leader.
Being the leader in this moment won't be easy.
The project went trough 3 leadership in past, and many times it risked to die. Not many would take the responsability to save it, and probably many think the project is doomed forever.
If a new leader is chosed, then everything will be in his/her hands. This means that if the project is saved, then all glory will go to him/her. But if the project dies, he will forever be marked as the one who killed this project.
Also, since Chimpo is gone, a fresh start is needed. Many things must be reviewed again. The guidelines, the rules, the style. And this are all things only the new leader can do.
However, since the project already changed 3 leaderships, I don't know how many still think it can be finished. If the admins give us at least 2 months, I'm sure we will try our best to save what can be saved, and then the decision of the project fate will be on the back of the community.
I don't know how many are ready to accept the leadership now.
I'm ready to accept any consequence and the stigma of failure if the project dies. I was in this project since the beginning, and I helped in any way I could. I lived every leadership with my eyes, and I have an idea on what went wrong. I'm ready to take this responsability. But I can't be alone.
I would point at Matwek as another possible leader, since everything I posted on me can be said for him too. If he wants to return on the leadership, then I have no problems.
We can't have only one leader. Sometimes it happens that someone can't be on the internet for whatever reason, so more than a leader is needed. It would be best if every leader is specialized on something (character are, level art, music, programming).
Since Thundertimi is collecting candidates, I, STHX, candidate for project leadership.
As other candidates, I propose Matwek, since he already was a leader in the past, and his skill is widely proved. Also, he too was on the old forum, and has been active since then.
A second candidate could be test-object, since lately he did most of the work for the level art.
One last things.
Today I'm not posting anything because I was a bit surprised on what happened, since I didn't expected this. I'm not at my house, and this isn't my PC, so I can't post nothing now because I haven't brought nothing to post from home.
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