Curious discovery regarding Sega Smash Pack for PC

Discussion in 'General Sega Discussion' started by MarzSyndrome, Oct 26, 2009.

  1. ICEknight

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    <!--quoteo(post=367093:date=Oct 28 2009, 08:07 PM:name=DTX)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DTX @ Oct 28 2009, 08:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=367093"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, judging from the fact that you felt it worth mentioning that Batman is in this version of the game, I take it that segment of the boss fight was taken out in future releases?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->They just turned him into some mutant bat-thing.
     
  2. MarzSyndrome

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    Well, I was in a memory-dumping mood, and tried to see if I could decode the Sonic Mega Collection Plus roms this way. But it looks as if the data is scrambled even in memory - I can find the rom header no problem, but it's mixed in among some other text unrelated to the rom. Not sure if this is the same in the console versions.
     
  3. ICEknight

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    <!--quoteo(post=366998:date=Oct 28 2009, 03:41 PM:name=evilhamwizard)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (evilhamwizard @ Oct 28 2009, 03:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=366998"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Speaking of undumped stuff, Sega Smash Pack also has an undumped revision of Golden Axe. I'm thinking this is REV02 (GM 00054018-02), and it's not JUE - it's only U. Looks like there are some heavy changes. Interesting.

    I'll wait for someone else to get the rom from the pack. :)

    EDIT: From Smash2 - I think Comix Zone is a different revision. Please find someway to check.
    EDIT2: Super Hang-On from Smash2 is another one of those Sega Channel games that says "A0115 Sega_Channel ma thanks OHE R/D#1 JUE". The first revision actually said "programmed by waka,hama thanks OHE R/D#1JUE".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Can somebody <I>please </I>post all the ROMs inside Smash Pack 1 & 2, for comparison?

    We should be keeping track of which are different and which are the same we already have, before everybody forgets about this and some of the alternate versions are left aside.


    I wonder if Sonic 2 is a clean dump of Version 2.
     
  4. MarzSyndrome

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    I did memory dumps for all the games in both Smash Packs but I was in a rush at the time to get somewhere, and I'm currently at a friend's overnight so I can't exactly access my stuff atm. :-( Maybe tomorrow.


    Well confused by SMCP though - I'm pretty sure people boasted in the past of having successfull ripped decoded roms out of its memory in the past. Possibly SGC as well.
     
  5. Cooljerk

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    <!--quoteo(post=367093:date=Oct 28 2009, 05:07 PM:name=DTX)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DTX @ Oct 28 2009, 05:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=367093"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, in regard to Comix Zone, I don't think the Options menu has the option to switch to 6-Button Controller Mode, which applies to two of the three extra buttons on the 6-button controller (X & Y, X & Z or Y & Z, though I don't remember which combination -- maybe you got to choose) the function to cycle left & right through your items, while to the other button you could apply the ability to use the "Macho Yell" (which does nothing gameplay wise but is fun to do anyway), the ability to block by means of touching the button, the ability to that shoulder ram attack at any time (instead of just when you make Sketch press himself up against a wall and attack), or the ability to use one of his three combo finishers (choose from among his roundhouse kick, shaolin kick or that kick which I <I>think</I> is a scissor kick but am not sure if it is). And maybe one or two functions as well that I am not remembering. Anyway, I am pretty sure that option is not in the Sega Smash Pack version of the game. Then again, maybe I'm wrong; I'll go check. Though I invite someone else to go check since I'll forget soon after now and never get to it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Holy shit is this true? I had the Sega PC version of Comix Zone and never played the actual genesis version, and it has none of those button mappings. Not even with the keyboard!

    Wow, I gotta track down a Genesis version ASAP.
     
  6. Shadow Hog

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    <!--quoteo(post=366149:date=Oct 26 2009, 01:12 PM:name=MainMemory)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MainMemory @ Oct 26 2009, 01:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=366149"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well then, I guess I'm <a href="http://info.sonicretro.org/SCHG:Sonic_Adventure_DX:_PC/RAM_Editing" target="_blank">an</a> <a href="http://info.sonicretro.org/SCHG:Sonic_Adventure_DX:_PC/EXE_Editing" target="_blank">amateur</a>. :v:<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->To be fair (and no offense intended with this following statement), if you're not being paid to do that which you're doing, you are, by definition, an amateur.

    Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that - technically, so is everyone else here (at least, insofar as <I>Sonic</I> games go).
     
  7. DTX

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    <!--quoteo(post=368134:date=Oct 31 2009, 01:25 PM:name=Shadow Hog)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shadow Hog @ Oct 31 2009, 01:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=368134"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=366149:date=Oct 26 2009, 01:12 PM:name=MainMemory)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MainMemory @ Oct 26 2009, 01:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=366149"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well then, I guess I'm <a href="http://info.sonicretro.org/SCHG:Sonic_Adventure_DX:_PC/RAM_Editing" target="_blank">an</a> <a href="http://info.sonicretro.org/SCHG:Sonic_Adventure_DX:_PC/EXE_Editing" target="_blank">amateur</a>. :v:<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->To be fair (and no offense intended with this following statement), if you're not being paid to do that which you're doing, you are, by definition, an amateur.

    Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that - technically, so is everyone else here (at least, insofar as <I>Sonic</I> games go).
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    Actually, this is perfectly true: an amateur is, by definition, someone who does something because he likes/loves it and, by extention, enjoys doing it; a professional is, by definition, someone who does something because he makes money from doing/is paid to do it, regardless of whether he likes it/enjoys doing it or not. Technically, one could be both a professional and an amateur at the same time (logically speaking,) as many people are -- artists come to mind in particular. And sometimes amateurs do the things they like so well that they do them at a professional level, <I>as though</I> they were being paid to do it, without actually getting paid for doing it.
     
  8. ICEknight

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    So... could somebody please upload the ROMs that have been recovered from the Smash Packs?
     
  9. MarzSyndrome

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    Apologies, man. I've been juggling between that and other things in life too, but as well as that I've been trying to rip roms from other Sega packs also. I'm getting round to it.
     
  10. Covarr

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    I got the Sonic 2 ROM out of Smash Pack 2, and GoodGen identified it as Sonic The Hedgehog 2 (W) (REV01) [!]. In other words, nothing we don't already have. I'll go through all the games from both Smash Packs, and then upload a zip of anything that GoodGen doesn't recognize, hopefully by tomorrow.
     
  11. muteKi

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    I have a feeling SP2 will be a lot less interesting in its results, to be honest. The software in that collection just felt a lot more robust to me.
     
  12. Covarr

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    Trapped in my own thoughts.
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    <a href="http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D7BJYSTZ" target="_blank">This zip</a> contains everything in both Smash Packs that GoodGen didn't recognize. I didn't bother packing the stuff that GoodGen was able to identify. The Shinobi rom is the one that GerbilSoft already uploaded, I stuck it in here for completeness. All of these have been tested in Fusion (not extensively), and seem to work just fine.

    <b>What's different in Smash Pack 1</b>
    Golden Axe
    Outrun
    Super Shinobi
    Vectorman

    <b>What's different in Smash Pack 2</b>
    Comix Zone
    Super Hang-On

    I don't know if it's significant or not, but Fusion whined about the Checksum in Comix Zone. I double and triple checked it, so I'm sure I extracted it correctly, the bad checksum is SEGA's fault.

    edit: In case anybody's interested, here's <a href="http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DHFL1RKY" target="_blank">a more complete pack</a> with ALL the games, both what GoodGen did AND didn't recognize.
     
  13. ICEknight

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    So there were different ROMs in SP2 as well. Thanks a lot. :)
     
  14. Polygon Jim

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    Out of curiosity I checked the Dreamcast Smash Pack V1, and everything in it was in GoodGen already.

    Code (Text):
    1. Altered Beast (REV 02) (JU) [!]
    2. Columns (REV 01) (JU) [!]
    3. Golden Axe (REV 01) (JU) [!]
    4. Phantasy Star 2 (REV 02) (UE) [!]
    5. Revenge of Shinobi, The (REV 03) (JUE)
    6. Shining Force (U) [!]
    7. Sonic the Hedgehog (JUE) [!]
    8. Streets of Rage 2 (U) [!]
    9. Vectorman (F) [!]
    10. Wrestle War (J) [c][!]
     
  15. ICEknight

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    Was there ever an official PAL release of the DC Smash Pack?

    I'm asking since it (probably) can run at 50Hz and at least SoR2 isn't PAL-compatible, so it might have different ROMs inside.


    EDIT: The change in Vectorman is just some data (garbage?) added inside the header.
    Code (Text):
    1. A39597917D9398919E9E959C
    How strange.
     
  16. evilhamwizard

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    I know there were Japanese releases of both Packs, but they rebranded them under the title "セガアーカイブス フロム USA".

    <a href="http://sega.jp/pc/archvus1/" target="_blank">http://sega.jp/pc/archvus1/</a>
    <a href="http://sega.jp/pc/archvus2/" target="_blank">http://sega.jp/pc/archvus2/</a>
    <a href="http://sega.jp/pc/archvus3/" target="_blank">http://sega.jp/pc/archvus3/</a>

    So yeah, I doubt there would be anything new here.
     
  17. The Claw

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    That's pretty interesting. Sega's PC games in Japan are somewhat mysterious.
     
  18. Covarr

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    Trapped in my own thoughts.
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    Volume 2 might be worth checking out at least, it seems to have different games.

    I love how the webpage mentions The Revenge of Shinobi, even though the ROM included has the Japanese name.
     
  19. MarzSyndrome

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    And particularly interesting that they use the U.S. roms still (judging by the screenshots), hence presumably the reasoning behind the compilation's title.


    Oh, and thanks to Covarr for providing what I dismally failed to provide myself all those months ago. Damn time and real life issues. >.<

    <!--quoteo(post=385231:date=Dec 15 2009, 05:27 PM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Dec 15 2009, 05:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=385231"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Out of curiosity I checked the Dreamcast Smash Pack V1, and everything in it was in GoodGen already.

    Code (Text):
    1. Altered Beast (REV 02) (JU) [!]
    2. Columns (REV 01) (JU) [!]
    3. Golden Axe (REV 01) (JU) [!]
    4. Phantasy Star 2 (REV 02) (UE) [!]
    5. Revenge of Shinobi, The (REV 03) (JUE)
    6. Shining Force (U) [!]
    7. Sonic the Hedgehog (JUE) [!]
    8. Streets of Rage 2 (U) [!]
    9. Vectorman (F) [!]
    10. Wrestle War (J) [c][!]
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    Or if you're going by No-Intro's bible:

    Code (Text):
    1. Altered Beast (USA, Europe)
    2. Columns (World) (v1.1)
    3. Golden Axe (World) (v1.1)
    4. Phantasy Star II (USA, Europe) (v1.2)
    5. Revenge of Shinobi, The (USA, Europe) (Rev B)
    6. Shining Force (USA)
    7. Sonic the Hedgehog (USA, Europe)
    8. Streets of Rage 2 (USA)
    9. Vectorman (USA, Europe)
    10. Wrestle War (Japan, Europe)
     
  20. MarzSyndrome

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    Actually, I don't know what version of GoodGen Polygon Jim is using, but these are seemingly the actual rom names (for some of the games) in v3.00...

    Code (Text):
    1. Altered Beast (UE) (REV02) [!]
    2. Columns (W) (REV01) [!]
    3. Golden Axe (W) (REV01) [!]
    4. Phantasy Star II (UE) (REV02) [!]
    5. Revenge of Shinobi, The (W) (REV03) [!]
    6. Sonic The Hedgehog (W) (REV00) [!]
    7. Vectorman (UE) [!]
    8. Wrestle War (JE) [c][!]