Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by Qjimbo, Nov 8, 2006.
If I remember correctly, both are technically alpha versions...
Yes, but it is harder to quote. "Hey, I found something in the Sonic 2 Beta 2C8F!" You'd have to look in the site to find out which version 2C8F was
I'm leaning more towards the DRX proto and Wai proto, as they were the people who first discovered these versions. Also, what's wrong with simple version numbers? Something like this, perhaps:
0.2 - Drx proto
0.3 - Nick Arcade proto (almost identical to 0.2)
0.5 - Wai proto
0.7 - Wai proto with 2P VS mode (not found yet)
1.0 - Sonic 2 Final
1.5 - Sonic 2 Sonic Compilation version.
How about rocketman's thing back in the day? Where Sonic 2 beta was Sonic 2 1.54 and such? Basically Tom's idea... and the problem with "drx proto" is if he finds another Sonic 2 proto. MASSIVE confusion will happen.
Well this is what I intended by "Fan-created version numbers" but noone has voted for it =P
oh. I was thinking along the lines of fake MD numbers.
That's why I wanted to call it the Nick Arcade proto - there's an extremely low chance we'll ever get another build even remotely similar to this one, so it would be the best name we could give it without causing mass confusion, should another proto arise that drx finds.
As for the "version number" thing... I always thought that was retarded. It's not an accurate system of measurement by any means, and there's no way without official confirmation that we can rightfully assume the Wai proto is "54% complete." How do you even have the right to make that kind of assumption?
Simon Wai thought he had the right... http://www.s2beta.com/timeline
So? Just because Simon put it down, doesn't make it any less of a stupid idea... Plus, now we can identify it as the Wai proto, so the version number is irrelevant (and inaccurate).
looking at that is funny now. His first picture on the timeline is actually from our current proto.
I'm completely down with Tweaker's idea now.
Couldn't've put it better.
He just put that at the time Saxman made that up, that doesn't mean he liked that numbering system.
When did this stop being the actual Nick Arcade beta?
Got an email from Simon regarding the naming of the Prototype. Hopefully he won't have any qualms with me posting it here.
Simon Wai, as always the eye of calm in a raging debate.
Hmm... I know Tom suggested numeric beta labels, but I never thought of alphanumeric...
I suppose it -COULD- work, but I still want some sort of "accurate" label for our prototypes that WE can refer to them as. Perhaps we could refer to both labels when addressing each prototype? I just don't feel comfortable going around saying "in beta A, the cocks were fully drawn, while only a portion of the cock was visible in beta B." You know what I mean?
I still feel comfortable calling them the Wai and Nick Arcade betas, respectively... but Beta A/B is so non-specific and vague that we may as well call them by some retarded version number that someone assumes based how much they "think" the game was completed.
I've seen protos from the same game named as "prototype" and "prototype 2", just in the order they were found even if the second one was earlier... I guess this is the way it will end up in GoodGen, or perhaps just as "early prototype" like in the filename.
Noone said that we have to refer to them as "beta A", etc. There's no reason we can't call them something more accurate than what ends up in GoodGen. What does the Wai proto have in it's GoodGen name, (prototype) or (beta)?
For our purposes, I still favor either "drx" and "Wai" or "Nick Arcade" and "Pirate" (since our proto came from a pirated copy instead of a known clean dump). However, I don't feel comfortable with "Nick Arcade" and "Wai" because we should use both names if we're going to use names at all, IMO.
Simon's right about this... ROM sites aren't going to care about the politics and labeling schemes we come up with.
Drx Prototype and Wai Prototype seems to have won yet the site names it nick arcade and simon wai prototype?
personally I vote for drx prototype,
doestn seems fair that wai can keep his name on it when drx cant
[ 49 ] Drx Prototype and Wai Prototype
[ 37 ] Alpha and Beta
[ 32 ] Nick Arcade Prototype and Simon Wai Prototype
[ 05 ] 2006 Prototype and 1998 Prototype
[ 00 ] Fan-created version numbers
Comments from me
So, our winner is drx prototype and wai prototype! I was expecting Nick Arcade to win after the revelations but it seems that's not what people want, so I'll have to take this into consideration. I would really love to just take this result and have it completely member-decided, however there are some good arguements against such a scheme.
We shall see!
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