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Chris Senn Presents.... (56k warning) 06/02

Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by hxc, Jan 1, 2006.

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  1. Shakidna

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    That Metal Sonic was most definately from Sonic X-Treme. It's been seen in videos.
     
  2. hxc

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    Quick Man, Senn made those RSAND textures.

    Also the SSSDK as it was labled, that includes those models is also includes debugging tools for a connected Sega Saturn.
     
  3. Shade

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    More awesome stuff HXC, great great work!

    Just a random thought I thought I'd chip in: Am I the only one who thinks that had this game been released, It might not have actually been that great? I think it derives all of its attention from its mysteriousness. The game itself doesn't actually look all that amazing, and had it been released, I almost feel like we would've put it down there with Sonic 3D Blast or one of the other not-so-great Sonic's. Has anyone else ever thought about this? I mean, had it been released, we may have not cared about it at all and criticized it instead.

    Anyway, back on topic, that's the first I've ever seen of that particular HUD (refering to the new update). Tails yelling warnings and praise at you almost reminds me of Sonic Spinball's little thingy. Or Sonic Rush...*insert turd rant about how they turned the game into Sonic Rush and Tiara into Blaze*.

    Anywho, great stuff HXC. Have I ever told you you are fucking awesome?

    EDIT: Credit to anyone else anywhere that had anything to do whatsoever with this eventual spring of information and materials.
     
  4. hxc

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    I should say this isn't all because of me, its because lots of people mailed Senn and he decided Xtreme should be free.
     
  5. ICEknight

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    In fact, we've been bugging Chris about Sonic X-treme since many years ago. Nice to see he still has even more stuff to show.
     
  6. hxc

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    I'm amused that Mr. Senn created the demo in the 3MB GIF based on Stardust Speedway Bad Future. The two seem to have nothing in common. I fail to see the resemblance.

    Correction—There are some elements to the song that were not in the original version. Interesting...
     
  8. Quickman

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    No, you've seen Metal Sonic in videos. No evidence at all that that model is anything other than a sample model.
     
  9. Sonic Hachelle-Bee

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    I really love what you have done here, HXC.

    S2B -> HXCSXTreme
    XD

    These Tiara concepts are nice. For once, there is colors... And I don't know why, but this "Special Stage" reminds me Sonic Labyrinth. Yes, by seeing this, the gameplay idea seems not that good.
     
  10. Keith Hemari

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    It may not be from extreme directly, but it's almost certainly the same model. Comparisons between it and the screen shots are almost too clear to deny.

    Now, if you mean that that particular version (texturing and whatever minor tweaks were done to it) was not used in Extreme, then yeah, I can see what you mean. But the fact that it is almost identical raises questions about the rest of the Sonic-related 3D things found in that dev-kit. They may not be from Extreme, but might have come from the same era.

    Another possible scenario is that the model seen in the Extreme screens was just a place-holder and was default from a Saturn dev-kit. However, given what Fang looked like, I would say that the model seen is almost certainly the final (in whatever way an unfinished game could be 'final') version.
     
  11. Quickman

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    I think you're clutching at straws. There's no direct connection between the model in the devkit and the model we see in Xtreme stuff.
     
  12. Keith Hemari

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    Except that the two models are almost identical, save only for the texturing and lighting.

    Even the second image you linked to shows that very distinctly. The body is nearly the same shape and the head and eyes as well. If we had clearer images, it would be more obvious, but sadly we don't. If I had access to that model, I could prove it by superimposing it over the screenshots. I would lay any money you like that they would match near perfectly.

    I'm not trying to imply and great deep philosophical meaning to it, just pointing out that the models seem too similar to be unrelated. This doesn't mean that the Sonic model has to be from Xtreme at all, or even that the land section is either. At first I thought the Sonic model might be the same one from the demo animation, but after looking at it again, I realized it wasn't.

    As a matter of fact... *opens Photoshop*

    Here, is this connection enough?
    http://www.keithhemari.com/generalimages/M...mparisonAni.gif
    As I said, nearly identical.
     
  13. Quickman

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    Sorry, I'm still not buying it. There's numerous small vertex differences which IMO would be consistent with making a new model in the likeness of the original. (If I ask you to try to redraw a line from memory then chances are your line will not be completely accurate to mine.)

    In any case I won't be COMPLETELY convinced until Senn et al tells us they used it, or I've compared their model with it in some 3D editor. =P
     
  14. Ben2k9

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    You're just being pedantic now, the 'final' model is clearly based on that devkit model, the head is almose identical, who said they didnt tweak it a little? Besides this topic was about Tiara not MS.
     
  15. Quickman

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    My pedantry is justified. Of course they'll look similar, regardless of whether one is based on the other or not - they're both trying to depict Metal Sonic. "Tweaking" would not justify shifting a vertex making e.g. one of the spikes on the head just a little bit. Had they edited the devkit model then all changes would be justified, e.g. to make the arm longer to incorporate some new feature they wanted to add.
     
  16. Mad Echidna

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    As I said at Sclassic, this made my day!
     
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    Very cool stuff. Nice work.
     
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  20. Mad Echidna

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    First!

    I like those drawings :)
     
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