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Discussion in 'Sonic 2 HD (Archive)' started by Athelstone, Apr 24, 2008.

  1. Kirinja

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    I'm with Chimpo on this. The game will have to have some kind of barrier at certain bosses, right? Why not just make the barrier part of the scenery, it will look more natural and better than any border. Don't start arguing about not making any sense, it's a game. You have to make choices, right? Choice is to make hidden borders (IE the totems) or obvious borders (IE shrinking to 4:3 with artwork or w/e)

    This isn't an issue now anyway, we're still on EHZ and that boss is no problem.
     
  2. nineko

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    <!--quoteo(post=410541:date=Feb 14 2010, 09:39 PM:name=Canned Karma)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canned Karma @ Feb 14 2010, 09:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=410541">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The staff hasn't come to a final decision on the boss zones yet. Why? Because we're focusing all our energies on the things that matter most right now, like getting a playable, polished, alpha build out to you guys.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->You see, I don't know what other people think, but I find it hard to look forward to an alpha of something which doesn't have its future fate defined yet. The lack of a solution for most boss arenas might even lead to premature cancellation if not handled correctly. Potential issues should have been discussed even before you started doing anything, to see if the whole project was feasible or not.
    My personal point of view is that this game should be <strike>4:3</strike> 10:7 only since I don't give a shit to people who use 16:9 or 16:10, they can as well shut up and get a black pillarbox at the sides as Sonic 2 was never meant to be played in any resolution different from 320x224 (or one of its multiples such as 1280x896 in our 4x case). However since we don't live in a perfect world and resolutions different than 4:3 are being used, you must find a solution which satisfies the most people possible, if not everyone. And said solution must be found now, or people's interest will keep on decreasing. "Oh good we have a playable EHZ! But the project isn't going anywhere as they can't manage the bosses to work in 16:9".

    And yes, while I have a neat 4:3 monitor on my main computer and I'm super happy about it, my laptop has a screen resolution of 1920x1080 instead. But I'm not being a crying faggot, when I play 4:3 games or when I watch 4:3 movies I keep my goddamned pillarbox at the sides and I am happy about it.

    What next? People complaining that Sonic doesn't have green eyes? Man, they're right when they say that the Sonic fanbase is impossible to be pleased.

    edit: pillarbox, right
     
  3. RedStripedShoes

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    I think the game should just play in pillarbox format for the time being. Widescreen gameplay will come later, after we've managed to replicate the look and feel of Sonic 2 in high resolution.
     
  4. nineko

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    <!--quoteo(post=410853:date=Feb 15 2010, 06:10 PM:name=RedStripedShoes)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RedStripedShoes @ Feb 15 2010, 06:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=410853">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think the game should just play in pillarbox format for the time being. Widescreen gameplay will come later, after we've managed to replicate the look and feel of Sonic 2 in high resolution.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now we're talking :thumbsup:
     
  5. steveswede

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    I don't understand why there is so much negative view on little things. I think it's better to spend energy on new ideas than to complain on what's on offer. There is an alpha coming which means that the ground work has been covered and the project is still going. I also think that because something like this has never been done before for an unofficial remake, that people just don't put faith into it.

    Stop moaning about this project going nowhere when it is and put some positive input in that is needed.

    I'm sure if it is such a big issue with the aspect when it comes, then it's bound to stay 4:3.
     
  6. Chimpo

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    You guys act like they're spending all of their resources right now to solve this one issue when they're clearly still working on shit behind the scenes.

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->But I'm not being a crying faggot, when I play 4:3 games or when I watch 4:3 movies I keep my goddamned pillarbox at the sides and I am happy about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Good for you.
     
  7. <!--quoteo(post=410805:date=Feb 15 2010, 07:38 AM:name=Chimpo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chimpo @ Feb 15 2010, 07:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=410805">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=410760:date=Feb 14 2010, 09:42 PM:name=subsubstantive)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (subsubstantive @ Feb 14 2010, 09:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=410760">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Honestly I am sick of people suggesting these stupid ugly totem eye sores. Sorry for the frank language.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It's amazing how you can see them already when no artwork has been provided at all aside from a 2 minute MS Paint mock up. Nice job judging ideas fairly there bro.

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    I am not judging based on the 2 minute MS Paint job. I am saying that amongst all other ideas put forth, this giant pillar idea seems completely unprofessional, uncreative and bordering on satirical. It would just look as though no better solution could be found, so we just decided to throw down another pair of pillars. However, I can see this is going nowhere, and for the moment it ought not to, so this is my final word on this matter for the time being, Bro.
     
  8. Gambit

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    Well, here's the official word on the subject.

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->-Sonic 2 HD is meant to be played 16:9, Levels will be designed for 1080p FullHD resolution for Alpha.
    -For different resolutions the window will be scaled or have some parts cut out if smaller.
    -No borders or bars appearing during boss fights, areas will be adapted to the new resolution in a natural way (with some functional additions where it's needed).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
     
  9. Hamneggs

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    <!--quoteo(post=410969:date=Feb 15 2010, 04:35 PM:name=Gambit)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gambit @ Feb 15 2010, 04:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=410969">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, here's the official word on the subject.

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->-Sonic 2 HD is meant to be played 16:9, Levels will be designed for 1080p FullHD resolution for Alpha.
    -For different resolutions the window will be scaled or have some parts cut out if smaller.
    -No borders or bars appearing during boss fights, areas will be adapted to the new resolution in a natural way (with some functional additions where it's needed).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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    Can't wait to see what the team has in mind about the last one there, Gambit. No, that wasn't sarcasm.
     
  10. steveswede

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    <!--quoteo(post=410969:date=Feb 15 2010, 10:35 PM:name=Gambit)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gambit @ Feb 15 2010, 10:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=410969">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, here's the official word on the subject.

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->-Sonic 2 HD is meant to be played 16:9, Levels will be designed for 1080p FullHD resolution for Alpha.
    -For different resolutions the window will be scaled or have some parts cut out if smaller.
    -No borders or bars appearing during boss fights, areas will be adapted to the new resolution in a natural way (with some functional additions where it's needed).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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    I'm glad that there is definitely going to be no borders. But I hope there is going to be some poll or game tests we could all try out on different ways the areas are set out. It's sometimes best to see it and play it, rather than thinking about it.
     
  11. nineko

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    <!--quoteo(post=410969:date=Feb 15 2010, 11:35 PM:name=Gambit)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gambit @ Feb 15 2010, 11:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=410969">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, here's the official word on the subject.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I like how you edited your post 10 minutes after you posted, but fortunately I am here to unveil what you hid. Your original post said "LOst's official word on the subject". I can see why you edited it, it's not good if the community knows that a single individual is taking "official words" about a community project.
    I'm more and more disappointed by this project, and I know I'm not the only one.

    One of the admins (who stays anonymous for now) said this in the staff channel:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would honestly be entirely surprised if S2HD ever even got 25% to being done anymore<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->And another admin said:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->16:9 is stupid
    the camera only looks good in 4:3<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's 2 admins and one mod being concerned about this project. Maybe this is the time where you start reconsidering the direction taken?
     
  12. These stone walls and whatnot will need to slide away very quickly at the end of the boss, so we wouldn't be able to have something like a rockslide.
     
  13. Vincent

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    I loved reading this answer directed to all naysayers:
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Stop moaning about this project going nowhere when it is and put some positive input in that is needed.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Community Project does not imply a cauldron where everyone (non into game development) has the right to impose us what he wants, anytime He wants. Progress in such conditions is as good as Project Retro.
    The community involvement for non-artists, will be completely open up after we got a solid release. If you really care for S2HD's health, there are lots of ways you can help, like concepts for the other levels.

    The text Gambit had written are the Staff "official words" on the subject.
    We know the problems related to different resolutions and we'll obviously do the best to make the experience enjoyable on most desktops. (I do have a 4:3 as well!) Complain when you've seen the result, isn't it fair? :)
     
  14. steveswede

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    <!--quoteo(post=411197:date=Feb 16 2010, 10:49 AM:name=Vincent)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vincent @ Feb 16 2010, 10:49 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=411197">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I loved reading this answer directed to all naysayers:<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    LOL. It needed to be said.
     
  15. Kirinja

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    <!--quoteo(post=411171:date=Feb 16 2010, 10:27 AM:name=nineko)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nineko @ Feb 16 2010, 10:27 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=411171">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->One of the admins (who stays anonymous for now) said this in the staff channel:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would honestly be entirely surprised if S2HD ever even got 25% to being done anymore<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->And another admin said:<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->16:9 is stupid
    the camera only looks good in 4:3<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's 2 admins and one mod being concerned about this project. Maybe this is the time where you start reconsidering the direction taken?
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    Yes because if the admins thinks it's shit then it is shit! How can an almighty admin be wrong?!
    Seriously dude, that is their opinion and you don't have to tell everyone else that their opinion sucks.

    <!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=Vincent)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vincent)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We know the problems related to different resolutions and we'll obviously do the best to make the experience enjoyable on most desktops. (I do have a 4:3 as well!) Complain when you've seen the result, isn't it fair?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This.
     
  16. Gambit

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    <!--quoteo(post=411171:date=Feb 16 2010, 03:27 AM:name=nineko)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nineko @ Feb 16 2010, 03:27 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=411171">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=410969:date=Feb 15 2010, 11:35 PM:name=Gambit)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gambit @ Feb 15 2010, 11:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=410969">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, here's the official word on the subject.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I like how you edited your post 10 minutes after you posted, but fortunately I am here to unveil what you hid. Your original post said "LOst's official word on the subject".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->You sound as though it's some dark secret. I just edited it when I remembered the whole staff felt the same way about the matter.
     
  17. tokumaru

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    <!--quoteo(post=411245:date=Feb 16 2010, 11:36 AM:name=Gambit)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gambit @ Feb 16 2010, 11:36 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=411245">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You sound as though it's some dark secret. I just edited it when I remembered the whole staff felt the same way about the matter.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Doesn't change the fact that a single person made those decisions, the rest of the staff just happened to agree. I guess I have to agree that S2HD is terribly private for a "community project", with the rest of the community just serving as asset generators. I've been slowly loosing confidence on this project... Let's see if the Alpha changes anything.
     
  18. Canned Karma

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    I'd much rather everyone look forward to the alpha to be the point they hedge any remaining concerns on. We've promised quality, and we're going to live up to that. I don't think asking for patience until the alpha goes live is that much to ask. If the admins have issue with what's going on, they like everyone else are free to post their concerns in the relevant topics here for all of the community to see.
     
  19. LOst

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    <!--quoteo(post=410850:date=Feb 15 2010, 09:00 PM:name=nineko)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nineko @ Feb 15 2010, 09:00 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=410850">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->but I find it hard to look forward to an alpha of something which doesn't have its future fate defined yet.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    When talking about the bosses, or the screen resolution?

    <!--quoteo(post=410855:date=Feb 15 2010, 09:14 PM:name=nineko)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nineko @ Feb 15 2010, 09:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=410855">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=410853:date=Feb 15 2010, 06:10 PM:name=RedStripedShoes)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RedStripedShoes @ Feb 15 2010, 06:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=410853">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think the game should just play in pillarbox format for the time being. Widescreen gameplay will come later, after we've managed to replicate the look and feel of Sonic 2 in high resolution.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now we're talking :thumbsup:
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    Okay, only screen resolution, but bosses must be decided before an Alpha release?

    You are confusing me, seriously!
     
  20. Tweaker

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    I think the issue is that people no longer feel involved or "up to speed" with the project's development, and as such miss voicing out on key engine decisions. Nobody says you have to take collective input as law, but it would far more beneficial to at least somewhat involve the community in these decisions, given that it's a community project.

    If you have no interest in letting the community have an actual say in the game's development and instead opt to do everything in private outside of take potential contributions, then I have no idea why this game is within this forum section. Your use of this community's resources is not to be picked and chosen as you please.