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Hez, on Yesterday, 05:02 PM, said:

That's it. I can't take this argument seriously anymore. I tap out... I'm done. I'll still come around for the hacking contest but I think I'm going to step away from Retro for a little while. The last couple days on here have done nothing but pissed me off.

Aerosol, on Yesterday, 04:28 PM, said:

The grievances are clear... That's not where the confusion lies. I... along with MANY others... are confused as to why they exist in the first place.

I can think of a ton of free projects, be it gaming related or otherwise, that take fan donations, etc. One example is a podcast I listen to... the guy has done his show for 8 years... and people, myself included, have asked how to help support the show. He has a small PayPal donate box to the side of his site, along with a merch store. There is nothing dirty or wrong with OPTIONAL fan support... read optional. Now... if you want dirty... HERE is something dirty. This is a quote I heard a little while back...

"Philanthropy is the future of marketing."

Atendega, on 23 July 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

tl;dr - What jman and Stealth said, regarding the Patreon; Oh, and G. Snake and Hez completely misunderstood my "set the bar" comment.

K... I don't really NEED to be the one to step in and say something on this Patreon deal... and it really doesn't have anything to do with me, but between the fact that I've gotten about 8 hours of sleep in 3 days, and the fact that I've heard disputing over it both on and off this forum board, it bothered me enough that I decided I needed to hop off the mobile and get on the work computer because this needed to be said, and this is addressed to ANYONE up in arms over Stealth's Patreon:

I'm not going to go too much into a rant over it because jman really hit the nail on the head... so I just want to reiterate that point. If you don't want to donate, you don't have to! Oh, and this...

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The idea that this has any relevance to justify whether or not Stealth should have a crowdfunding account is asinine. Honestly, let them be furious about that... Again, no one FORCES OR DEMANDS you to donate.

Now onto another note, as far as the dispute re: my "set the bar" statement... are you telling me that because of the fact that other GREAT hacks have surpassed that bar... that it invalidates the fact that Megamix did set the bar previously? Never once in my statement did I say "OMG, it's still the best thing ever". I'll wait, go back and read my post... you'll clearly see that I didn't. Actually, I'll save you the trouble:

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Clearly you missed the point I was making. My point was that at the time of the last official release, Megamix DID set the bar high... and YES... plenty of hacks DO surpass it, however it still does serve as a standard bearer as to what constitutes a great hack so yea I really don't see where you think I misspoke. Many MANY subpar hacks fail to meet Megamix's quality. Those that do... range from pretty damn good to great. Sounds like a standard to me.

Anyway, I was alluding to the fact that I simply believe Stealth and Co. WILL do just that AGAIN, with what's to come in the future. Ironically, Green Snake made that very last point in the same breath that he was also trying to dispute my very point...

ThomasSpeedrunner, on 15 July 2015 - 08:38 PM, said:

Lest we forget, Megamix set the bar for what hacks today try to achieve. It WILL deliver. Stealth isn't a dummy...