[Guess Who]

Tweaker, on Sep 27 2007, 10:14 PM, said:

guess_who, on Sep 27 2007, 11:12 PM, said:

Tweaker, on Sep 27 2007, 10:01 PM, said:

For those people who use the forum, nothing will change other than the fact that the community will be based upon a wiki in a more integrated fashion

So basically, we'll be Glowing Bridge except not for newfags.

You could say Glowing Bridge was us for newfags

And it isn't now?

This post has been edited by guess_who: 27 September 2007 - 10:17 PM

[16BT]

Tweaker, on Sep 27 2007, 11:11 PM, said:

16BT, on Sep 27 2007, 11:10 PM, said:

I said it when before SHD was absorbed into Retro and I'll say it again. Unless you want this site digested (literally; taken in, then excreted out) DO NOT MEREGE WITH SONIC RETRO.

What I can say about this is that Retro and SHD had widely conflicting communities with different focuses that didn't work out. Retro, as it is now, is much more suited to the S2B community; so much, in fact, that they may as well be the same. That's the idea here.

You may have a point there, as Retro was Classic which was S2B before that which is this now, but I still have the feeling it won't work out well. But seeing as I have no staff power here, you could run it into the ground for all I care.

[voice]

guess_who, on Sep 27 2007, 10:16 PM, said:

Tweaker, on Sep 27 2007, 10:14 PM, said:

guess_who, on Sep 27 2007, 11:12 PM, said:

Tweaker, on Sep 27 2007, 10:01 PM, said:

For those people who use the forum, nothing will change other than the fact that the community will be based upon a wiki in a more integrated fashion

So basically, we'll be Glowing Bridge except not for newfags.

You could say Glowing Bridge was us for newfags

And it isn't now?

Nope, lately its just been soti trying to bandodge.

[Guess Who]

voice, on Sep 27 2007, 10:18 PM, said:

guess_who, on Sep 27 2007, 10:16 PM, said:

Tweaker, on Sep 27 2007, 10:14 PM, said:

guess_who, on Sep 27 2007, 11:12 PM, said:

Tweaker, on Sep 27 2007, 10:01 PM, said:

For those people who use the forum, nothing will change other than the fact that the community will be based upon a wiki in a more integrated fashion

So basically, we'll be Glowing Bridge except not for newfags.

You could say Glowing Bridge was us for newfags

And it isn't now?

Nope, lately its just been soti trying to bandodge.

Same thing. Also quote pyramid.

[Sazpaimon]

Do not want

[Aurochs]

I had a big long post explaining precicely what was going to happen here, but then everything I wanted to say got said while I was writing it.

I fully support this merger (and also the return of my sysops wink wink nudge nudge)

[LocalH]

16BT, on Sep 27 2007, 11:17 PM, said:

You may have a point there, as Retro was Classic which was S2B before that which is this now, but I still have the feeling it won't work out well. But seeing as I have no staff power here, you could run it into the ground for all I care.

This isn't the same S2B. Pre-SClassic and post-Simon "S2B" does not share lineage with these forums, except in that some of the same people are around. Our lineage comes from SWS2B (and to a lesser extent the old Simon-ran Anyboard).

[Metal Man88]

Sonic 2 Beta was the name (correction over the site thing: Yes, it's not the same. No, that doesn't mean you just blow up the name.) many of us stayed with through all of the various troubles in the past, and as a name and collective community is one of the older sites out there.

(Note: When I say "Sonic 2 Beta", I mean both the name itself and the current site we're talking on. Not the old ones.)

Retro is some new thing Scarred Sun made. It's not bad, but it's not this Sonic 2 Beta.

This marks yet another attempt to merge this site into somebody else's, and the others all failed miserably. If it succeeds, you sacrifice what is the current Sonic 2 Beta for Sonic Retro's success. The namechange means that the rules that made it Sonic 2 Beta are subject to change, that people who are a part of what is now Sonic Retro can move in and change Sonic 2 Beta things into their own retro stuff, and destroys the meaning of Sonic 2 Beta membership, because guess what? You're in retro-town now.

Maybe if this was something Simon Wai did, I wouldn't mind, and then at the end of a maybe would involve Pelord. But Scarred Sun's just got here as an admin; I don't know how good he is, and his stuff, and yet suddenly this gives him complete control? Control which he uses while, rather than what Wai did, he just matter-of-factly drops this on us, and acts like "Well, you should know, but it isn't all that important."

At such a rate, who knows? Perhaps we could be eaten by Shadow of a Hedgehog and I'd figure it out once a bunch of weird people joined the forum and somebody changed the header graphic. Or perhaps someone could change my name to Joe and make this a Spanish-language forum, and say "Whoops! Sorry, no hablo ingles!"

It's respect that I speak of. If you're going to do this, then respect the members and the name. You don't just throw it away like yesterday's garbage, and then proceed to tell the members that they're only important as far as their ability to suggest new features and add new life to a community they didn't sign up for.

This post has been edited by Metal_Man88: 27 September 2007 - 10:28 PM

[Aurochs]

Metal_Man88, on Sep 27 2007, 11:25 PM, said:

Sonic 2 Beta was the site many of us stayed with through all of the various troubles in the past, and as a name and collective community is one of the older sites out there.

Retro is some new thing Scarred Sun made. It's not bad, but it's not Sonic 2 Beta.

Sonic Retro (the wiki) is three or four years old. Remember SHIT? Besides, most of the same people contribute to both. They're more similar than you think.

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Maybe if this was something Simon Wai did, I wouldn't mind, and then at the end of a maybe would involve Pelord. But Scarred Sun's just got here as an admin; I don't know how good he is

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It's respect that I speak of. If you're going to do this, then respect the members and the name. You don't just throw it away like yesterday's garbage, and then proceed to tell the members that they're only important as far as their ability to suggest new features and add new life to a community they didn't sign up for.

I don't see how the community will change substantially, considering as we're merging two sites with VERY similar user bases.

This post has been edited by Chandragupta: 27 September 2007 - 10:32 PM

[LocalH]

Well, I'm not totally against the idea, I've been in the IRC talking to the others trying to find a way to leverage the existing credibility and Google indexing of S2B (say, by keeping the static S2B pages as they currently exist) while also finding a way to help integrate the forums with Retro's wiki (which will allow those who would like to contribute to the site, to do so more directly than with the current site). And since I'm on board with the basic concept, I'm gonna be about as close to Simon as you're gonna get. The forums will pretty much stay identical to the way they are now - consensus is that we should even keep the s2beta.com domain running so that the forums could be reached through either s2beta.com or sonicretro.org. That way, those who don't give a shit about the wiki could continue to use s2beta.com as they do now, with almost no changes (perhaps the addition of a Retro logo to the forum header), while those who want to can go whole hog and use sonicretro.org while still remaining a part of the exact same forum community. I'm not giving up any of my authority over the forums or the classic-style static S2B content, I just want to figure out a way to leverage the strong forums here alongside the strong wiki of Retro, while not losing the established nature of the S2B name.

Also, SS is a she =P

[Tweaker]

Okay, let me bring a few things into perspective:

1. Retro hasn't had a forum for god knows how long; it was a heavily wiki-based community in which no-bullshit mentalities were also enforced.
2. When Retro opened a forum earlier this year, the people who joined it were more or less all from S2B, with very few exceptions.
3. S2B, as a site, would still exist; but it would exist as a site without a forum.

The main point of focus here is the forum. The community surrounding this forum is the "true" S2B community; and, as such, changing the name will not change what we stand for, what we do, or who comes here. S2B, as a site, is a site about a Sonic 2 Beta; S2B, as a community is much, much more. The reason for this merge is because the S2B and Retro communities are almost, if not exactly the same. If there were any doubt about this fact, then the idea of a merger wouldn't have even been considered. Do you get what I'm saying?

The point of this merger is to strengthen our focus as a community, and to remove the redundancy of identical communities exisiting as seperate entities, and rather to bring them together to make them even better.

[voice]

My idea: 30 day trial of this concept, see if it works out or not.

[LocalH]

Well, as I said, even if we kept it going for longer than that, it would only affect you if you chose to go through sonicretro.org. We could set it up so that s2beta.com retains the static content it currently has, and the forums would be the only thing shared between domains (with the S2B logo on the forums when accessed through s2beta.com). Done properly, s2beta.com users should continue to be able to access the site as they do now, with no differences (except, as I said, maybe put a Retro logo on the forum header in addition to the S2B logo). Those using sonicretro.org would be accessing the exact same forums, quiz and all - but at the same time they would benefit from the integration with the wiki in terms of usernames, etc (and as SS said, wiki editing would require passing the test so that keeps our no-bullshit stance in place).

[Super]

You'd get more supporters if you just tell them that their post count stays, amirite?

[voice]

Well, my other random guess as to why people don't like this idea is that they view it as an attempt to farther the Sonic Retro name by building on other stuff.