[Lemming 1545]

I wouldn't make more of this than it is on its own. To my knowledge, there's only a very few members who are going to frequent Qjimbo's .org site exclusively, and that number is composed mostly of those members who had already left the original site because they didn't like the changes the site was going through over time. This division isn't as huge as some people are trying to make it seem.

[Rika Chou]

Sazpaimon, on Mar 26 2007, 04:35 PM, said:

rika_chou, on Mar 26 2007, 05:23 PM, said:

Oh, Jesus Christ.

What's that supposed to mean? If you have any problems with me being admin or something, I suggest you say it outright.

OK, but I don't.

[Sazpaimon]

rika_chou, on Mar 26 2007, 05:45 PM, said:

Sazpaimon, on Mar 26 2007, 04:35 PM, said:

rika_chou, on Mar 26 2007, 05:23 PM, said:

Oh, Jesus Christ.

What's that supposed to mean? If you have any problems with me being admin or something, I suggest you say it outright.

OK, but I don't.

Oh okay, nevermind then :P

[Tylinos]

Well, my point was that the two versions of the board would be stronger together than apart. Some of the people who left due to Tweaker's adminship are back at Qjimbo's place. Qjimbo kept taking about how the board is better now because of it. If something was worked out, we'd have one board with everyone together in one place, and S2beta would at least be closer to that unattainable image of perfection everyone wanted.

Yes, this post is a bit late. I blame computer trouble. I didn't edit my previous post because the default board settings put it on an older page, where most wouldn't see it. Plus, I only have a few posts left to prove myself one way or the other (something I'm not doing a good job of right now), and I'm not going to cheat past this by essentially making a free extra post.

[Lemming 1545]

The problem, as I see it, is that even if we were to get everyone on one board again, the same people would just end up leaving again, because some people just plain don't get along. Just having everyone in one place again wouldn't make everything better on its own - I'm not even sure if "making everything better" is possible at all. Let's remember that these two groups we have on our hands now started as one, and then seperated. Even if you forced them back together, they'd just seperate again.

[Tylinos]

Last time I checked, most of them left due to administrative decisions that they disliked. No administration is perfect. People will leave the community whether there is one board, two boards, or even more. Even in the world itself, we have the same problem. A country splits due to differences, people take sides. Aside from that, there are also those who leave one country for another just to discover that the leadership there is just as bad as where they came from. Plus, a split community hinders progress, especially with hacking and research.

[Lemming 1545]

I'm not so sure about that last bit - with the amount of people who seem comfortable using both boards, myself being one of them, I should think that news, discoveries, and information should spread between the two boards with no problems. Of course, that's even assuming that this place of Qjimbo's actually lasts - Vangar already tried something like this, and it didn't work out.

[Tylinos]

Yeah, it could work like that for those of us that are fine with the split and post at both places, but there are going to be people who would refuse to look at (or at least refuse to post at) one of the two, even if Qjimbo's version fails. Even if it did fail and people who were loyal to it came back here, there would be those would harbor anger toward them for crawling back only when the alternative failed. It's not that I don't see what you mean, because I agree with your main point. It's just that I don't believe it would work nearly as well as just one S2beta would.

I'm going to shut up now. I don't want to use up all of my posts holding a difference-of-opinion argument when I might need to say something more important later. Sorry for bothering you.

[Caitlin]

...Don't really understand the whole situation, but I don't really care so long as the place is run as normal again.

All I can really see is that we've got two clones here: S2Vangar, and S2Qjimbo... seems kinda like we're going through the protestant reformation all over again, only tieing those events to S2Beta.

[Lemming 1545]

Tylinos, on Mar 26 2007, 07:38 PM, said:

Yeah, it could work like that for those of us that are fine with the split and post at both places, but there are going to be people who would refuse to look at (or at least refuse to post at) one of the two, even if Qjimbo's version fails. Even if it did fail and people who were loyal to it came back here, there would be those would harbor anger toward them for crawling back only when the alternative failed. It's not that I don't see what you mean, because I agree with your main point. It's just that I don't believe it would work nearly as well as just one S2beta would.

I'm going to shut up now. I don't want to use up all of my posts holding a difference-of-opinion argument when I might need to say something more important later. Sorry for bothering you.

I'm not bothered. XD Nah, seriously man, you're cool. And I agree with you that one, unified website would be better, all I'm saying is it's not going to be detrimental if that never comes to be.

[Metal Man88]

I don't think this side of the split allowed the other to be created willingly. Therefore, it is their problem if their idea of running a stolen copy of S2B fails to succeed in 'revitalizing' the community.

The way I see this, this is a China-Taiwan situation, and we're China. (In a good way, and maybe some of the bad ways, but mostly the good ones)

This post has been edited by Metal_Man88: 26 March 2007 - 10:41 PM

[Sammybeany]

Sazpaimon, on Mar 26 2007, 04:35 PM, said:

rika_chou, on Mar 26 2007, 05:23 PM, said:

Oh, Jesus Christ.

What's that supposed to mean? If you have any problems with me being admin or something, I suggest you say it outright.

Oh, oh. I think that was a bit of a threat, wasn't it? This is getting quite good, now.

I'm not exactly a fan of the way Tweaker used to behave as the administrator of this board, but I feel the way this is being handled and now is far more ridiuclous and childish than any of Tweaker's trespasses. Everything I've read on this so far has been the epitome of Internet being "serious business."

Additionally, I think Sazpaimon was an awful choice for the new administrator. Not just because I think he's a bit of a twat who tries way too fucking hard to be PACHUKA Jr., but also because he already has a large community he should worry about managing. I imagine he will either become overwhelmed and give up on either this or Sonic CulT or both, or just leave one or both to stagnate. He's kind of already done that with Sonic CulT, I think.

Of course, I'm not exactly "on the inside" with any of this, so I'm sure you'll all scream at me because I "don't understand" or whatever. But I doubt my observations and opinions are terribly far off.

[Sazpaimon]

Sammybeany, on Mar 26 2007, 08:54 PM, said:

Sazpaimon, on Mar 26 2007, 04:35 PM, said:

rika_chou, on Mar 26 2007, 05:23 PM, said:

Oh, Jesus Christ.

What's that supposed to mean? If you have any problems with me being admin or something, I suggest you say it outright.

Oh, oh. I think that was a bit of a threat, wasn't it? This is getting quite good, now.

Hardly, I just feel if someone has a problem with me, they should bring it up with me directly, rather than bottle it up.

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I'm not exactly a fan of the way Tweaker used to behave as the administrator of this board, but I feel the way this is being handled and now is far more ridiuclous and childish than any of Tweaker's trespasses. Everything I've read on this so far has been the epitome of Internet being "serious business."

I'll have to agree, but I'm actually trying to get everything back to normal, rather than seeing a constant shit slinging contest

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Additionally, I think Sazpaimon was an awful choice for the new administrator. Not just because I think he's a bit of a twat who tries way too fucking hard to be PACHUKA Jr.

Cute, but I can pretty much tell you right now that that won't be the case here.

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but also because he already has a large community he should worry about managing. I imagine he will either become overwhelmed and give up on either this or Sonic CulT or both, or just leave one or both to stagnate. He's kind of already done that with Sonic CulT, I think.

That's a concern I have to deal with myself. However I can pretty much accept that Sonic CulT can run on its own perfectly alright, as long as I stay proactive in it and keep everything up to date. S2Beta, on the contrary, seems to be the opposite, in my experience that is, as it teeters on the brink of complete collapse every so often. But I think if I actually commit myself, I can make this community great again.

Basically all I'm saying is to give it a chance and see how it works out. If it doesn't, I'll take full responsibility, and probably never hear the end of it, so I wanna try my hardest to make sure that that doesn't happen.

[Scarred Sun]

This is really quite the exercise in pointlessness.

See, one of the beautiful things about the Internet is that we're all publishers of anything we want. As a result, we have choices. Gasp! Because this publisher, Local H, wants things in a certain way, if you don't, you're free to publish your own site! In fact, just in the Sonic research scene alone, there are at least a half-dozen boards for you to congregate on!

S2B, imo, is for serious business. And the "whiners" want the lulz. There are plenty of lulz-tastic places to get that. Hell, there are places dedicated SOLELY to the lulz. But understand: that's not part of the general mission here.

As I understand it, the people who freaked out and thought they weren't going to make it past the retest were going to anyway and Qjimbo already has a few Sonic sites of his own (s68ktech, srz, etc.), so why didn't Jim just promote his own site instead of stooping down to steal another one? Christ.

And to anyone who whines S2Vangar, let me just say personally I knew nothing of it until it was being mocked at CulT, so this brings up an important point: you actually have to put some fucking effort into your work if you want anyone to visit. Shock. Horror. Something kids with InvisionFree boards never quite seem to learn.

[LocalH]

Ok, here's the deal.

I'm sick and tired of fucking arguing and screaming my ass off (metaphorically speaking) in IRC. So I made a deal. Jim is going to be proactive in reworking the site content and branding so as not to be a direct rip of this one. In return, I am not going to make a fuss about him using the content and branding in the interim. After he's rebranded, I wish him nothing more than the best of luck, and even will offer to affiliate with him. I just want things to end amicably without this shitstorm dragging on and on and on forever and ever.

Although, as has been said, I was completely justified in being as mad as I was. I'm cooled down now, though.