[Rockman Zero]

I don't see what the fuss is over Saz being an admin. Voice: just give Saz a chance.

[Lath]

OMG Saz is admin we are all doomed the forums are being haxor'd we are all IP banned.

Ok, now that's out of my system, IMO you guys should just keep going on as normal instead of complaining about him, I mean even though some of youy think he's the worst possable person to be admin, trust me, I've seen worse, for example, this one 8 year old girl who had a chao and tails fetish, I mean... what is and 8 year old doing with a PC and internet anyway? It's compleatly mental.

I dunno what Saz has done to tick you guys off at him, it was a bit before I decided to come back around and start posting, but I honestly don't see why we can't just go on like normal with him as an admin, I mean, it's not like it's permanent, he's just filling in for Tweaker for a while...

[WiteoutKing]

voice, on Sep 25 2006, 12:37 PM, said:

The board ran perfectly fine when Simon was the only administrator here, and he wasn't on that often.

I guess my issue with Saz is this, he's manipulative, he's a dumbass, he IS that child that was handed a gun. He is exactly the kind of person that SHOULDN'T be an administrator. And as a point of fact, it wouldn't have mattered if he was "offically" an admin here or not, as long as he has access to the SQL database, he's root admin.

Simon was never the only admin, wtf.

This post has been edited by WiteoutKing: 25 September 2006 - 04:58 PM

[Tweaker]

WiteoutKing, on Sep 25 2006, 05:58 PM, said:

voice, on Sep 25 2006, 12:37 PM, said:

The board ran perfectly fine when Simon was the only administrator here, and he wasn't on that often.

I guess my issue with Saz is this, he's manipulative, he's a dumbass, he IS that child that was handed a gun. He is exactly the kind of person that SHOULDN'T be an administrator. And as a point of fact, it wouldn't have mattered if he was "offically" an admin here or not, as long as he has access to the SQL database, he's root admin.

Simon was never the only admin, wtf.

Actually, he was - LocalH and Hive were enstated in late September 2005 as Co-Admins. Before that, Simon was the only Admin (though LOst was an Admin for a short time when the board first launched).

However, that was when Simon was relatively active, and things were run really well. I'd actually prefer that if LocalH was as active as Simon was during that period, but that's not the case. :P

With the current setup, we have roughly two active admins. There should always be at least one availiable when needed, so things should be taken care of swiftly when called for. I always thought that was something this place needed, since I remember waiting rediculous amounts of time to get some things done before. =P

[Caitlin]

I'm fairly acti*shot then mauled*

I do agree with a sort of "balance of power", and I've never had any grudge against Saz, so it doesn't bother me.

EDIT: I fixed up the *shot* bit. =P

This post has been edited by Menodix: 25 September 2006 - 05:16 PM

[BadCopNoDonut]

Hmm...I don't know how I feel about this. Especially if I remember right, when Saz did this when drunk/high. What's to prevent him from getting drunk/high and doing the same shit, and not remembering it in the morning? Once you're drunk, you tend to act in ways you normally wouldn't. I know from experience. I wouldn't be opposed to say, making Rika_Chou admin temporarily. He seems active enough and won't fuck around with stuff.

[Aurochs]

Tweaker, on Sep 25 2006, 06:03 PM, said:

With the current setup, we have roughly two active admins. There should always be at least one availiable when needed, so things should be taken care of swiftly when called for. I always thought that was something this place needed, since I remember waiting rediculous amounts of time to get some things done before. =P

To play devil's advocate for a second, most of those things could be done by a global mod (rika_chou or Stealth, though the latter isn't here often enough to be effective as a moderator).

[Tweaker]

Aurochs, on Sep 25 2006, 10:24 PM, said:

Tweaker, on Sep 25 2006, 06:03 PM, said:

With the current setup, we have roughly two active admins. There should always be at least one availiable when needed, so things should be taken care of swiftly when called for. I always thought that was something this place needed, since I remember waiting rediculous amounts of time to get some things done before. =P

To play devil's advocate for a second, most of those things could be done by a global mod (rika_chou or Stealth, though the latter isn't here often enough to be effective as a moderator).

Actually, Stealth is on about every day, around 3PM+. He's just annonymous all the time. :P

BadCopNoDonut, on Sep 25 2006, 10:18 PM, said:

Hmm...I don't know how I feel about this. Especially if I remember right, when Saz did this when drunk/high. What's to prevent him from getting drunk/high and doing the same shit, and not remembering it in the morning? Once you're drunk, you tend to act in ways you normally wouldn't. I know from experience. I wouldn't be opposed to say, making Rika_Chou admin temporarily. He seems active enough and won't fuck around with stuff.

Well, like I said, I've taken the precautions to make sure this won't happen again.

Besides, if he was gonna do something destructive, he could've done it anyway, and more effectively, since he has direct server access (and I believe is the only one who has it, though I have limited FTP/SQL access).

[BadCopNoDonut]

Tweaker, on Sep 27 2006, 08:14 AM, said:

*contents of previous message*

I wasn't worried about him causing destruction per se, because its one thing to wipe out a board and force you to put it elsewhere. People understand crap goes down and they will go back when it comes back up, even if in a new location. My concern, like I said previously, was him doing something like he did that made at least 2 well respected members I know leave(Guess_Who still remains, but I haven't seen QJimbo around lately, nor Fiz.) Even with safeguards in place, it took just one night to raise holy hell. Its possible also that he could take command and demote all current admins except himself, and mess with your e-mails to prevent you from getting password access, if he wanted to fully seize the board. In a normal state I don't know if he'd really do this, but people do crazy shit when drunk/high, which he was when he caused all the shit last time. And then people WOULDN'T come back when that happens, since they'll be pissed off because someone screweed with them. Maybe I'm just not quite as forgiving to people. I tend not to let them be in charge of something(If I have control of it of course...obviously I don't here.) if they really fucked up up first time around because I DO fear they'll fuck it up again.

Saz can do what he pleases with Cult since he's the final authority there, but this place is entirely different, LocalH is the final authority here, and Saz shouldn't have just did what he wanted here and tried to manipulate a new administrator. Just so all bases are covered, I have no issue with Saz hanging here, but I thought it was the right decision when he was demoted from being admin and just left as an oldbie or tech member...whatever it was. And that's how I think it oughta stay. Seriously, this place could go along on 2 administrators for a little while, like everyone has been saying, until you get your issues sorted out, Tweaker. Or if you insist on having an additional admin in your absence, put Stealth or Rika_Chou in that spot(assuming they'd agree to it). You trusted them enough to make them global mods and everyone here highly respects them and they haven't done anything to screw with anyone, and to me, they'd be the best fits.

Do what you want, and I hope you get whatever your issues are, sorted out soon. But this is my two cents, from someone who's been in similar situations as an admin of a decent sized community and agreed that someone had to be kicked off our website/demoted from a mod position. Everything went smoother in the end when that person was relegated to a normal position.

This post has been edited by BadCopNoDonut: 27 September 2006 - 10:22 PM

[Tweaker]

Right, since I'm officially "back" now (did I ever leave?), I'll be taking my spot back now.

I've decided to leave Saz with a moderator position, though, seeing as all in all that's more helpful, and ensures a better check upon what he can do. Hopefully this will better help people to settle down with Saz on the staff team.

[Lostgame]

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Simon was never the only admin, wtf.

Gordon.