[Kles]

Ah, yes. Syren was a PA dodger too. Two examples of times where they got better (even though Syren was approved ANYWAYS).

[Simon]

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Out of curiousity, what made you decide to make this change in rules, Simon? I mean, was there any special event that prompted you to, or did you just feel it was time for a change?

EDIT: And... does this mean that people like DannyAndShadowTails and Black Squirrel have another thirty trial posts?

1. That information is classified!
2. Yes. Of course, nothing says I can't use the "ban" button when needed (e.g. spam).

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Won't some of these PA to trial members finding themselves in the gallery of dumbasses be a bit of a shock though? They think that they will be hated and have no chance from the off.

They'll just have to deal with the damaged reputation resulted from their own stupidity.

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Ladies and Gentlemen, this is PROOF people can improve, and that permenant banning is wrong!

"Wrong" is such a relative and subjective term. :P Tweaker/supershadow342 is an exception to the norm. Don't expect similar treatment for future PA dodgers.

[Tweaker]

Simon, on Mar 22 2005, 06:49 PM, said:

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Ladies and Gentlemen, this is PROOF people can improve, and that permenant banning is wrong!

"Wrong" is such a relative and subjective term. :P Tweaker/supershadow342 is an exception to the norm. Don't expect similar treatment for future PA dodgers.

There was a funny story to this actually. Me and Q planned to do this to prove that the Trial Member system was slightly flawed. We figured I was home free once I got approved. I soon figured out otherwise of course. :P

Beware of Simon Wai. He knows all, and has the massive penius. All are at his mercy when registering here. =P

[Simon]

supershadow342, on Mar 22 2005, 07:10 PM, said:

There was a funny story to this actually. Me and Q planned to do this to prove that the Trial Member system was slightly flawed. We figured I was home free once I got approved. I soon figured out otherwise of course. :P

Beware of Simon Wai. He knows all, and has the massive penius. All are at his mercy when registering here. =P

Obviously all systems have flaws. I'm aware of the flaws of the Trial Member system, and I find them to be acceptable.

Those who don't like to go through it can just go somewhere else. Although there's virtually no difference when posting as a Trial Member or as a Member... it's all in your head. Let's face it, there's no guarantee one wouldn't be put back to Trial, or even banned, say, a week later. I find it funny and silly when people get so worked up over it.

[Syren]

Simon, on Mar 22 2005, 07:19 PM, said:

Although there's virtually no difference when posting as a Trial Member or as a Member... it's all in your head. Let's face it, there's no guarantee one wouldn't be put back to Trial, or even banned, say, a week later. I find it funny and silly when people get so worked up over it.

Me too, but that's looking back in retrospect. When I (as Soil) saw that I was a full member to these forums last may, I was relieved. I don't know why I was relieved to such an extent, but it made my day. Also, when I got put back into Trial Membership again (By the way, am I the only one who's been put back there and actually got re-verified?) I was bricking it. It's stupid, but I don't know why it's like this. Maybe it's the thought of missing out on all of you awesome crazy people.

[Kles]

You know what? I think you ARE the only person who has shot back down to trial and became a member again. It's because you're cool. :D

[Syren]

Kles, on Mar 22 2005, 08:20 PM, said:

You know what? I think you ARE the only person who has shot back down to trial and became a member again. It's because you're cool. :D

w00t! I'm cool!

...And it's because of posts like this that I was re-evaluated. Damn. This is a bad habbit. :P

Anyhow, I like what's going on with the changes. It's more fitting. If people are acting okay and they are forced to wait untill they use up all of their posts, it isn't too assuring for someone who is new to this place. "Shiiit, am I gonna get in? He hasn't approved me yet! *sulk*" comes to mind.

[voice]

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w00t! I'm cool!

Indeed you are.


As for my views...

My opinion is that if people can PA Dodge, then something in the system is not right. Maybe IP checks aren't being made or something(Though I can understand IP Checking is hard considering I've got glined 6 times from networks only to show up 2 mins later because I disconnected my dial up and got me a new IP to go from mm ^_^. But anyways, as I told Q. My stance is that if an admin somehow messes up on something, not directly aimed at Simon, be it PA checking or verifying password-requests via email account verification, then it should just be let go. They exploited at weekness, that only teaches you that there is a hole and where to plug it so no one else can exploit it.

[Simon]

voice, on Mar 22 2005, 08:51 PM, said:

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w00t! I'm cool!

Indeed you are.


As for my views...

My opinion is that if people can PA Dodge, then something in the system is not right. Maybe IP checks aren't being made or something(Though I can understand IP Checking is hard considering I've got glined 6 times from networks only to show up 2 mins later because I disconnected my dial up and got me a new IP to go from mm ^_^. But anyways, as I told Q. My stance is that if an admin somehow messes up on something, not directly aimed at Simon, be it PA checking or verifying password-requests via email account verification, then it should just be let go. They exploited at weekness, that only teaches you that there is a hole and where to plug it so no one else can exploit it.

It's actually working the way it should. It's a trap, and the way to "catch" them is after they commit the PA-dodging act.

Just because the safeguard is manual, not automated, doesn't mean it's broken.

[voice]

Simon, on Mar 22 2005, 08:01 PM, said:

voice, on Mar 22 2005, 08:51 PM, said:

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w00t! I'm cool!

Indeed you are.


As for my views...

My opinion is that if people can PA Dodge, then something in the system is not right. Maybe IP checks aren't being made or something(Though I can understand IP Checking is hard considering I've got glined 6 times from networks only to show up 2 mins later because I disconnected my dial up and got me a new IP to go from mm ^_^. But anyways, as I told Q. My stance is that if an admin somehow messes up on something, not directly aimed at Simon, be it PA checking or verifying password-requests via email account verification, then it should just be let go. They exploited at weekness, that only teaches you that there is a hole and where to plug it so no one else can exploit it.

It's actually working the way it should. It's a trap, and the way to "catch" them is after they commit the PA-dodging act.

Just because the safeguard is manual, not automated, doesn't mean it's broken.

My god simon, manual? :shocked:

Your still living in the 90's I see, time to get with ye olde program simon :P Automation is everything, we can leave the AI taking over the world with our next generation of children. :D

[Tweaker]

voice, on Mar 22 2005, 08:51 PM, said:

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w00t! I'm cool!

Indeed you are.


As for my views...

My opinion is that if people can PA Dodge, then something in the system is not right. Maybe IP checks aren't being made or something(Though I can understand IP Checking is hard considering I've got glined 6 times from networks only to show up 2 mins later because I disconnected my dial up and got me a new IP to go from mm ^_^. But anyways, as I told Q. My stance is that if an admin somehow messes up on something, not directly aimed at Simon, be it PA checking or verifying password-requests via email account verification, then it should just be let go. They exploited at weekness, that only teaches you that there is a hole and where to plug it so no one else can exploit it.

After thouroughly reading this post, I have one simple effective reply.

Proxy. :P Worked for me. It's something you have to watch out for.

[Simon]

Nibesto, on Mar 22 2005, 09:56 PM, said:

After thouroughly reading this post, I have one simple effective reply.

Proxy. :P Worked for me. It's something you have to watch out for.

Yes... proxy, the oldest trick in the book. Normally admins would just keep banning any new proxy that the dodger comes up with.

I suppose it could be automated by probing port 80, 3128, 8000 and 8080 of new members... but that would be anal as hell.

(Just realized there's "anal" and "probing" in the same sentence...)

[Kles]

Meh. It's still a bit sketchy to me but oh well.

By the way, Simon, you spelled favour wrong in the title. How dare you call yourself Canadian. :D

[Mystical Ninja]

Simon, on Mar 22 2005, 06:49 PM, said:

"Wrong" is such a relative and subjective term. :P Tweaker/supershadow342 is an exception to the norm. Don't expect similar treatment for future PA dodgers.

Didn't you just say that PA doding was allowed on the first page?

[Simon]

Mystical Ninja, on Mar 23 2005, 04:27 PM, said:

Simon, on Mar 22 2005, 06:49 PM, said:

"Wrong" is such a relative and subjective term. :P Tweaker/supershadow342 is an exception to the norm. Don't expect similar treatment for future PA dodgers.

Didn't you just say that PA doding was allowed on the first page?

Past PA dodgers are allowed to come back. Future PA dodgers under this new system won't be.