[steveswede]

DigitalDuck, on 07 July 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

Really? This again?

Yep, and it makes me laugh even more when there's the fact that Ben Yahtzee did a video on Sega begging for forgiveness before giving us shit games like this years before.

[Donnie Paradox]

I'm also in the "I'll believe it when I see it" crowd. While this is a start and I'm glad to see them say something like this actions speak louder than words. And nothing would prove their point more than a good, solid game. However SEGA is so all over the place and unpredictable that I feel the best bet is to simply wait and see. Here's hoping things are turning around for the better.

[Uberham]

DigitalDuck, on 07 July 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

Yeow, on 07 July 2015 - 05:10 PM, said:

That and nah, I'd argue Sonic 4 IS that bad. If it was so good, please tell me how much you're enjoying Sonic 4 Episode III. Let alone any new classic Sonic game whatsoever.

1995-2009:

"Sonic 3 IS that bad. If it was so good, tell me how much you're enjoying Sonic 4. Let alone any new classic Sonic game whatsoever."

I'm enjoying Sonic and Knuckles just fine thanks.

[Yeow]

DigitalDuck, on 07 July 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

Yeow, on 07 July 2015 - 05:10 PM, said:

That and nah, I'd argue Sonic 4 IS that bad. If it was so good, please tell me how much you're enjoying Sonic 4 Episode III. Let alone any new classic Sonic game whatsoever.

1995-2009:

"Sonic 3 IS that bad. If it was so good, tell me how much you're enjoying Sonic 4. Let alone any new classic Sonic game whatsoever."

Speaking of which, its also been almost 15 years since the last Sonic Adventure. God, that game must had been horrible, we haven't gotten any game like it since then.

Maybe people were right when they said the Sonic series was never good in the first place.

This post has been edited by Yeow: 07 July 2015 - 05:59 PM

[DigitalDuck]

Yeow, on 07 July 2015 - 05:58 PM, said:

Speaking of which, its also been almost 15 years since the last Sonic Adventure. God, that game must had been horrible, we haven't gotten any game like it since then.

Speaking of which, it's also been almost 15 years since the last Shenmue. Thank fuck they're never trying that one again, huh?

[Icewarrior]

TimmiT, on 07 July 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

Also, let's be fair here. Aside from Sonic stuff, SEGA hasn't been doing too bad when it comes to the quality of the games they put out. Alien Isolation, the Hatsune Miku games, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Yakuza Zero, the Total War games etc.. The problem seems to be more with lack of interest or the games not being localized.

Speaking of which, you all better play those Yakuza games. I mean, you get to punch a tiger in the face in the second one

Lack of promotion or localization is the biggest problem there I think.
But I'll grant you that, I need to play those Yakuza games! Always heard they had some of SOR spirit.

[TimmiT]

Icewarrior, on 07 July 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

TimmiT, on 07 July 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

Also, let's be fair here. Aside from Sonic stuff, SEGA hasn't been doing too bad when it comes to the quality of the games they put out. Alien Isolation, the Hatsune Miku games, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Yakuza Zero, the Total War games etc.. The problem seems to be more with lack of interest or the games not being localized.

Speaking of which, you all better play those Yakuza games. I mean, you get to punch a tiger in the face in the second one

Lack of promotion or localization is the biggest problem there I think.
But I'll grant you that, I need to play those Yakuza games! Always heard they had some of SOR spirit.

Kind of, I guess. They're partially beat em ups, but very much story focused. And it gets so over the top that it's almost comparable to Metal Gear Solid games.

[Ezequiel.M]

Yeow, on 07 July 2015 - 05:10 PM, said:

That and nah, I'd argue Sonic 4 IS that bad. If it was so good, please tell me how much you're enjoying Sonic 4 Episode III. Let alone any new classic Sonic game whatsoever.

I don't want to sound like if I was a casual fan, but Sonic 4 subjectively speaking is a good game, that's an opinion, I'm not asserting nor I'm trying to pass my opinion as a fact. You dislike the game, and that's also an opinion, it's not a fact.

[Dark Sonic]

Hey Sega want to send out a heartfelt sorry? Make a Sonic Generations 2 and release it for free.

[Mr Lange]

Ezequiel.M, on 07 July 2015 - 04:09 PM, said:

ICEknight, on 07 July 2015 - 10:13 AM, said:

Sonic 4 was a disgrace that should be retconned with a good, truly retro game.

I don't think it's THAT bad. It was nice they made a retro-themed Sonic game mixing up modern elements. There were way worse Sonic games since then (e.g. Sonic Boom, which is a real disgrace to the franchise and the company as a whole subjectively speaking)

You're using "retro themed" veeeery loosely. It didn't resemble the classic games beyond the most superficial way possible, and even that much was warped. It's almost like it was actively trying to mock what the original games were like. With horribly butchered gameplay, some of the most godawful music in the entire series that's some pitiful tacky "attempt" to sound "retro", cheap art style, lackluster mess of a story, and blatant rehashes of past stages with bad level design, it was essentially one big fuck you to fans of the classic games. Sonic 4 had tremendous shoes to fill, and not only did not come anywhere close to filling those shoes, it took a big shit in them and bounced up down smearing shit all over, set them on fire and left them on the fans' doorstep. Sonic 4 is part of Sega's big fuck ups. There's nothing about Sonic 4 that isn't a horrid disgrace and a massive insult to any respecting fan of the classics.

This post has been edited by Mr Lange: 07 July 2015 - 06:56 PM

[doc eggfan]

To me, the Sega brand was always about quality arcade gaming, followed by quality arcade ports. I haven't really seen anything exciting out of their arcade division of late. There was a brief exciting period where it looked like the RingEdge 2 was bringing the niche NAOMI third party support gang back together (Guilty Gear Xrd, Arcade Love, Under Defeat HD+, Under Night In-Birth), but with nothing really substantial from Sega themselves. Then they seemed to abandon RE2 suddenly for the Nu arcade platform with the next Hatsune Miku game. Since then, nothing. Did the Arcade scene die in Japan too?

[DigitalDuck]

Ezequiel.M, on 07 July 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

I don't want to sound like if I was a casual fan, but Sonic 4 subjectively speaking is a good game, that's an opinion, I'm not asserting nor I'm trying to pass my opinion as a fact. You dislike the game, and that's also an opinion, it's not a fact.

It's okay, there's a ton of people here that don't know the meaning of the word "subjective". Get past that and you'll be fine.

[TheInvisibleSun]

Ezequiel.M, on 07 July 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

Yeow, on 07 July 2015 - 05:10 PM, said:

That and nah, I'd argue Sonic 4 IS that bad. If it was so good, please tell me how much you're enjoying Sonic 4 Episode III. Let alone any new classic Sonic game whatsoever.

I don't want to sound like if I was a casual fan, but Sonic 4 subjectively speaking is a good game, that's an opinion, I'm not asserting nor I'm trying to pass my opinion as a fact. You dislike the game, and that's also an opinion, it's not a fact.

Not to be pedantic, but you are phrasing the word 'subjective' inaccurately. You stated that it was a good game (an objective statement), but what you really mean to say is that you liked the game. It sounds like you are trying to use the word 'subjectively' to present an inarguable point, or universal 'way' of looking at the game (like art, music, gameplay, etc). You basically just said that, 'from a non-factual point of view, this fact is true'.

There's no point in trying to hide behind words like 'subjective', and 'opinion'; state what you observed and felt was positive in the game. Personally, this game did feel like a slap in the face, as it took a massive step backward from its 'marketed' predecessor, in almost every facet of the game. Sonic has no momentum in his physical movement at all, and unrolls after rolling off of a slope into the air. This is fact about the game that I dislike, because it removes almost all exhilaration from elements that in part made its numerical predecessors enjoyable, like loops, and downhill slopes. Imagine playing Chemical Plant Zone with Sonic 4 physics.

(EDIT: clarity)

This post has been edited by TheInvisibleSun: 07 July 2015 - 07:51 PM

[Ezequiel.M]

I'm remarking these words due to the fact I was just stating my opinion, I wasn't trying to assert anything as a fact, and if I did, I'm sorry, I actually wasn't trying to do that. Then again, that's your opinion, mine is different. What I feel positive from the game? Well, I actually liked the plot, it was in my opinion simple as the classic games, I specially liked Episode I (not to rest importance from Episode II, though) I also liked Sonic could turn Super when collecting the seven Emeralds, (something not present since a long time ago) I also liked Eggman went back to his roots and the fact the levels' designs were actually challenging. Again, this is my opinion. As I said some posts ago, it mixes classic elements with modern elements, which in my opinion, is a nice idea.

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You're using "retro themed" veeeery loosely. It didn't resemble the classic games beyond the most superficial way possible, and even that much was warped. It's almost like it was actively trying to mock what the original games were like. With horribly butchered gameplay, some of the most godawful music in the entire series that's some pitiful tacky "attempt" to sound "retro", cheap art style, lackluster mess of a story, and blatant rehashes of past stages with bad level design, it was essentially one big fuck you to fans of the classic games. Sonic 4 had tremendous shoes to fill, and not only did not come anywhere close to filling those shoes, it took a big shit in them and bounced up down smearing shit all over, set them on fire and left them on the fans' doorstep. Sonic 4 is part of Sega's big fuck ups. There's nothing about Sonic 4 that isn't a horrid disgrace and a massive insult to any respecting fan of the classics.

That's what I would call asserting an opinion as a fact, sorry, but respectfully, I don't agree with you, not at all.

This post has been edited by Ezequiel.M: 07 July 2015 - 08:13 PM

[DigitalDuck]

TheInvisibleSun, on 07 July 2015 - 07:41 PM, said:

Sonic has no momentum in his physical movement at all

Not true - the problem is friction/air friction is too high, and outside of scripted objects, when you're not holding a direction it slows you down too quickly (much more quickly than the classic Sonic games).