[Cooljerk]

Xilla, on 16 June 2015 - 12:48 PM, said:

So......Turbo OutRun and Power Drift had better be there for Ryo to play!

Fuck that, use this opportunity to give us home ports of two games that never left the arcade.

Planet Harriers and Outrunnners for sure!

RankoChan, on 16 June 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

NickonAquaMagna, on 16 June 2015 - 10:29 AM, said:

Every time there's another kickstarter, it feels so good to be able to prove to the big boys that YES, games like this DO make money.

Actually, if anything, these kickstarters show that games like these DON'T make money. Look at Bloodstained for example, which had 64,867 backers over the course of one month. That's essentially only 64,867 copies of the game being "sold" which doesn't even break the 100,000 mark, let alone 1 million. The reason kickstarters are even successful in the first place is because they target the small niche/hardcore demographic that's willing to toss larger amounts of cash then the normal consumer. In addition, the average game budget today is roughly $20 million; whereas most kickstaters only reach a few million on average. To put this even further into prospective, Mighty No. 9 had 67,226 backers, Shantae had 18,558, and TJ&E had 8,873.

Kickstarters are great because they allow gamers to get niche genres/series that aren't able to compete against the mainstream, but it's delusional to think that kickstater games make money even remotely comparable to the industry's top sellers.

Meanwhile, Star Citizen laughs and laughs at what you just wrote. "They said my kind of games don't make money, lmao"

[RankoChan]

Cooljerk, on 16 June 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

Meanwhile, Star Citizen laughs and laughs at what you just wrote. "They said my kind of games don't make money, lmao"

I was was mostly speaking in general, exceptions can and do happen of course. Although to be fair, most of Star Citizen's contributions occurred in the crowdfunding campaign done after the kickstarter was over.

[DigitalDuck]

Cooljerk, on 16 June 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

Fuck that, use this opportunity to give us home ports of two games that never left the arcade.

Planet Harriers and Outrunnners for sure!

I'm 100% sure OutRunners was released for the Mega Drive.

[360]

Sony is officially funding development and assisting with development efforts on the game (via NeoGAF). Looks like we truly are getting a real Shenmue sequel.

[TimmiT]

360, on 16 June 2015 - 05:16 PM, said:

Sony is officially funding development and assisting with development efforts on the game (via NeoGAF). Looks like we truly are getting a real Shenmue sequel.

It truly wouldn't be a true sequel without the company that's always been behind the truly amazing Shenmue games: Sony.

[Turbohog]

It's too bad Sega's in such a state of affairs that their involvement seems to be none. Also kind of ironic that Sony is helping Shenmue 3 become a reality, considering Sony killed the Dreamcast.

[Xilla]

DigitalDuck, on 16 June 2015 - 04:23 PM, said:

Cooljerk, on 16 June 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

Fuck that, use this opportunity to give us home ports of two games that never left the arcade.

Planet Harriers and Outrunnners for sure!

I'm 100% sure OutRunners was released for the Mega Drive.

OutRunners was, but let's not talk about that "port"! />

I mentioned Turbo OutRun and Power Drift as the former has never had an arcade-perfect home release, and the latter only got its arcade-perfect port released in Japan. Plus they would fit in better with a game set in the 80s than Planet Harrier or OutRunners would, not counting the fact Ryo has a Sega Saturn!

[sonicblur]

I know many of you hate them, but Kotaku has an article about Sony's support for the game that might be a little bit easier to gleam details from:
http://kotaku.com/so...-iii-1711819045

This news makes me feel better about this. I dropped $160 as my initial pledge, (mostly because I want the shirt but don't really want the art book) but I'm hoping they'll announce a physical PS4 version before this is over. I'll probably up my pledge to $250 if the news we hear over the next month is promising.

I had a potentially terrible idea today that I'd like to see them consider. It would be neat if they could let some backers voice NPC's. (Not main characters, but random people out and about) I'm not one of those people who disliked the voice acting in the first two, I thought it was okay, but some of NPC's were lacking. I'm guessing it's because they had the same actors playing 10+ different people, trying to sound different. I do recall multiple people having the exact same voice in Shenmue 2. Obviously they'd have to screen for quality, but I think they could get more variety this way. Does this sound terrible, or might it be a decent idea to propose to them?

Edit: Just noticed that the character description for Yuan on the new Shenmue site reflects the original Japanese version. If there are any references to him in Shenmue 3, I wonder if they'll stick with Yuan as female for the localization or not.

This post has been edited by sonicblur: 16 June 2015 - 09:44 PM

[winterhell]

RankoChan, on 16 June 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

Actually, if anything, these kickstarters show that games like these DON'T make money. Look at Bloodstained for example, which had 64,867 backers over the course of one month. That's essentially only 64,867 copies of the game being "sold" which doesn't even break the 100,000 mark, let alone 1 million.

Kickstarter is not solely about the presold copies. They are milking the tiers that are cheap enough that they don't give you a game, and more expensive(orders of magnitude) than the biggest purchase you'll be able to make otherwise.

There is also, you know, the actual sales of the game AFTER its being released. I betcha it'll sell 1+ million copies day one.
Also not everyone is willing spend $30 on something that is promised to come out in 2 years. Is it coming, maybe, maybe not. There are many kickstarters and other games that don't meet the release deadlines. And is the game going to be what you expect? Would you preorder Aliens: Colonial Marines?

The game being cheaper NOW argument - If everyone can wait 2 years If everyone can wait 16 years to get the game, then sure as hell they can wait 1 additional month on steam when the game gets a discount. And if you put the $30 in the bank today, you'll have enough for whatever day one price they have.

This post has been edited by winterhell: 17 June 2015 - 01:12 AM

[DigitalDuck]

winterhell, on 17 June 2015 - 01:04 AM, said:

There is also, you know, the actual sales of the game AFTER its being released. I betcha it'll sell 1+ million copies day one.

If it'd sell 1+ million copies day one, it would have been made earlier.

winterhell, on 17 June 2015 - 01:04 AM, said:

Also not everyone is willing spend $30 on something that is promised to come out in 2 years.

And this is a good thing. Backing something on Kickstarter is always a big risk, and it's great that people are playing it safe with their money.

That's why the target is $2 million and not $42 million.

[RankoChan]

winterhell, on 17 June 2015 - 01:04 AM, said:

Kickstarter is not solely about the presold copies. They are milking the tiers that are cheap enough that they don't give you a game, and more expensive(orders of magnitude) than the biggest purchase you'll be able to make otherwise.

To quote myself:

RankoChan, on 16 June 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

The reason kickstarters are even successful in the first place is because they target the small niche/hardcore demographic that's willing to toss larger amounts of cash then the normal consumer.

And yes, I do know how kickstarters work. I've backed plenty of games on there myself and I'll probably end up backing Shenmue 3 as well. My initial post was a reply to NickonAquaMagna (who claimed that kickstarters prove that games have a viable market) giving examples on why kickstaters are not impressive in general from a sales perspective, which is what most corporations would look at to determine if a game has a viable market or not. I also pointed out that the reason kickstaters are successful in their funding is because they target the smaller/hardcore demographics in the first place that are willing in shell out larger than normal funds.

[Overlord]

And $3 million whooshes by.

[Caniad Bach]

You know what, while I'm seriously stoked for more Shenmue, I actually care more about Yu Suzuki being back making games than I care about Shenmue 3. The man is way too talented to do [basically] nothing for 15 years.

[DigitalDuck]

DigitalDuck, on 16 June 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:

I've always wanted to do a full stream of the series, showing off the secrets and completing things the way most people don't.

Maybe I could do that next week. I know Yokosuka inside out, might need to refresh my memory with 2 before I do anything serious.

So I just (yesterday and today) played through the first game to refresh my memory. For the past 8ish years, playing through the games has been a yearly ritual for me anyway (usually starting sometime around November 29th /> )

The thing is, I'm still finding new things. Today, among other things I succeeded in breaking the cat's timeline. />

[MotorRoach]

Famitsu article screenshot. The model's face in here looks a lot more accurate than the one in the Kickstarter page.



Dreams do come true.

This post has been edited by MotorRoach: 18 June 2015 - 09:39 PM