[ICEknight]

So this is going to be more like a regular Sonic game than Shattered Crystal, but there's some fire and ice gimmicks across the whole game that will require the players to repeat a certain action each time they come across them?

How can that sound like a good idea to anybody, even on paper? Let me guess, some of those actions require halting the gameplay and drawing on the touch screen?

Cyberguy, on 09 June 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

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"What is this? I just want to run through and hit bounce pads and spring boards and speed boosts and ping-pong around."

Ooooooooh boy....

Makes you wonder if a development team should keep listening to little kids when making new games, doesn't it?

But hey, if kids themselves don't know how to design great games for kids, who will? Right?

This post has been edited by ICEknight: 09 June 2015 - 02:33 PM

[Aerosol]

Jason, on 09 June 2015 - 01:21 PM, said:

Aerosol, on 09 June 2015 - 01:13 PM, said:

It's not...bad publicity right?

One mouse-over later...

I didn't even know Twitter Facebook, whatever, worked that way (don't use it much).

That's funny.

This post has been edited by Aerosol: 09 June 2015 - 02:02 PM

[Xeal]

Aerosol, on 09 June 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

I didn't even know Twitter worked that way (don't use it).
That's funny.

That's Facebook doc :P

[TimmiT]

Now that the whole "WTF ANOTHER SONIC BOOM WHAT???" thing has calmed down, I've kinda changed my expectations from "it's gonna be shit" to "not gonna expect much, but I'll keep an open mind about it". Sanzaru can make decent games, and at least they seem to know that people didn't like Shattered Crystal. We'll see I guess, E3 is next week and it'll probably be playable there.

[GeneHF]

I've done a little game development now and understand how annoying and stressful it is. The fast turn around on this game means that most of the work is done with the engine, so it's mostly new art and stage design, on top of a new scenario. The most the engine will see are tweaks to accommodate new gimmicks and optimization. This isn't a shock considering most of the trailer was full gameplay instead of bullshots.

That said, Fire and Ice is apropos as Hell has frozen over and now Sanzaru has a chance to redeem themselves with a second game and show that they've refined the game to be moderately enjoyable. It's not often a game that's poorly received (admittedly, the 3DS version was the much lesser of two evils) gets a second chance, so I hope they do their all.

Though, if I may be so brash, I just hope they remove having the characters grunt for every action they do and they remove the forced run button. I'm not hopeful on either front.

[GT Koopa]

Is it bad that it was a Game Grumps comment that first alerted me of this game's existence?

[High Fidelity]

TimmiT, on 09 June 2015 - 02:13 PM, said:

Now that the whole "WTF ANOTHER SONIC BOOM WHAT???" thing has calmed down, I've kinda changed my expectations from "it's gonna be shit" to "not gonna expect much, but I'll keep an open mind about it". Sanzaru can make decent games, and at least they seem to know that people didn't like Shattered Crystal. We'll see I guess, E3 is next week and it'll probably be playable there.

Here's hoping Big Red Button announce a sequel to Rise Of Lyric.

[Overlord]

Oh dear christ why. Didn't the first two Boom games do the brand enough damage? I get that this'll likely be a cheap cash bringer if it sells at the same level the last one did but with the added bonus of not having to develop an engine.... but really the only part of Boom that anyone likes is the TV show (myself included, has to be said). I'll leave final judgement for now but I'm far from holding out masses of hope on this one.

Whatever Sonic Team's working on right now will have to be amazing to make up for how 2014 & 2015 have been for the core base, despite us never being the targets for Boom.

[GeneHF]

Let's not get hasty. Already enough of an atom bomb 3DS is going forward.

[OcelotBot]

I don't have a 3DS, so I won't be getting this game. To be honest, I wouldn't buy it even if I did own one. Fire & Ice looks bland and boring. Just another shitty game. No thanks.

I get the impression - in terms of the Booms games at least - that SEGA will be releasing a small game each year from now on, probably aimed at the 3DS and maybe mobile devices. I would be surprised if another Boom game is ever developed for the Wii U again.

I'm sick of Sonic games being released exclusively on Nintendo consoles. They don't sell well.

This post has been edited by OcelotBot: 09 June 2015 - 02:44 PM

[Cyberguy]

OcelotBot, on 09 June 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

I don't have a 3DS, so I won't be getting this game. To be honest, I wouldn't buy it even if I did own one. Fire & Ice looks bland and boring. Just another shitty game. No thanks.

I get the impression - in terms of the Booms games at least - that SEGA will be releasing a small game each year from now on, probably aimed at the 3DS and maybe mobile devices. I would be surprised if another Boom game is ever developed for the Wii U again.

I'm sick of Sonic games being released exclusively on Nintendo consoles. They don't sell well.

Really, with the rep Sonic's gained over the past... forever, do you really expect him to sell well anywhere?

[Aerosol]

Overlord, on 09 June 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

Oh dear christ why. Didn't the first two Boom games do the brand enough damage? I get that this'll likely be a cheap cash bringer if it sells at the same level the last one did but with the added bonus of not having to develop an engine.... but really the only part of Boom that anyone likes is the TV show (myself included, has to be said). I'll leave final judgement for now but I'm far from holding out masses of hope on this one.

Whatever Sonic Team's working on right now will have to be amazing to make up for how 2014 & 2015 have been for the core base, despite us never being the targets for Boom.

Yea, I don't think Sega really understands what they're doing exactly.

Even if you're making a game aimed at kids, you should still make them GOOD games. Quality speaks volumes, and even people that might be put off by the aesthetic or story will know that despite all that, the Sonic games you make are good games. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Spider-Man games were only as successful as they were for a while because Spider-Man 2, a tie-in game aimed at the people that say the movie, was also a really fucking good game. All the Boom titles have ranged from mediocre to shit, and the average person just sees "Sonic games are shit", not "Sonic tie-in games are shit". Boom has ruined all the positive momentum gained from Generations which was widely regarded as a good game, even if Sonic wasn't really your thing.

Making a Sonic game to pull these people back in is going to be like climbing a cliff with one arm and seven toes. It doesn't just have to be a good game, it has make everyone drop everything to see what it's about. It has to be the best damn game they've made in almost 20 years. I don't think they've got it in them, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

[Caniad Bach]

OcelotBot, on 09 June 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

I'm sick of Sonic games being released exclusively on Nintendo consoles. They don't sell well.

Umm.. yes they do. Unleashed sold more on Wii than PS360, and Colo[u]rs outsold Generations.


When you guys saw the trailer, when it said "What do you get when you mix fire with ice", did you also shout "FUCKING WATER!!" at the screen like I did? =P

[Aerosol]

Hell yes. I was thinking "some state of water, presumably. ice, water, or steam depending on how much fire we're talking about here".

Then I thought "wait, is this a Chrono Cross reference? Ugh."

[W.A.C.]

Caniad Bach, on 09 June 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

OcelotBot, on 09 June 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

I'm sick of Sonic games being released exclusively on Nintendo consoles. They don't sell well.

Umm.. yes they do. Unleashed sold more on Wii than PS360, and Colo[u]rs outsold Generations.


When you guys saw the trailer, when it said "What do you get when you mix fire with ice", did you also shout "FUCKING WATER!!" at the screen like I did? =P

Sonic games for the Wii have sold well, but not for the Wii U and 3DS.