[akirahedgehog]

Can't vouch for the authenticity of those, they look a little off to me too. The text under "END OF THE DEMO" says "Thank you for playing".

[GerbilSoft]

Hez, on 08 May 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

This stuff just gives me blue balls.... I want more stuff so bad.

EDIT: Did I just find more?


EDIT2: Further examining them...they look fake

They were posted before, and are fake. Among other things, darn whippersnappers don't seem to realize that the Mega Drive can't arbitrarily scale images in hardware. The different-size font would therefore have to be included in the ROM separately, plus it would take up more VRAM.

[steveswede]

Now those are the kind of fakes you need to do to fool us autists. Fakes so good that you can't help but want them to be real.

[Hez]

Well....posting more fakes seem to bring real stuff up, so...

[Xeal]

Hez, on 08 May 2015 - 02:49 PM, said:

Well....posting more fakes seem to bring real stuff up, so... />

All right, time to dig through my box of Sonic hoaxes I've allocated over the years...

[MarkeyJester]

GerbilSoft, on 08 May 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

They were posted before, and are fake. Among other things, darn whippersnappers don't seem to realize that the Mega Drive can't arbitrarily scale images in hardware. The different-size font would therefore have to be included in the ROM separately, plus it would take up more VRAM.

Not only that, but we have come to the understanding that Sonic did not use as many colours as the final, you can clearly see the walking frame using the same number of grades as the final.

Also, I'm going to pretend that there was simply a blind spot, or a déjà vu resulting from a glitch in the Matrix, which caused my post to be ignored, and thus shall post again.

MarkeyJester, on 05 May 2015 - 08:16 PM, said:

Something I am very curious about here, is scanning. Are we not able to obtain a scan of these shots at a higher resolution? It seems from most of these shots, that the pixels are just see-able enough, that if we had a larger scan of them without lossy compression from JPEG or GIF, or the automatic "newspaper" dithering technique (I don't know the name of it), and with some specifically written tools. We might be able to generate an accurate pixelated rendition of these shots for further analysis. It may even help to narrow out which shots are mock ups and which are legitimates.

You know, just to make sure (You damn kids with your music... >=X )

[Irixion]

MarkeyJester, on 08 May 2015 - 09:00 PM, said:

GerbilSoft, on 08 May 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

They were posted before, and are fake. Among other things, darn whippersnappers don't seem to realize that the Mega Drive can't arbitrarily scale images in hardware. The different-size font would therefore have to be included in the ROM separately, plus it would take up more VRAM.

Not only that, but we have come to the understanding that Sonic did not use as many colours as the final, you can clearly see the walking frame using the same number of grades as the final.

Also, I'm going to pretend that there was simply a blind spot, or a déjà vu resulting from a glitch in the Matrix, which caused my post to be ignored, and thus shall post again.

MarkeyJester, on 05 May 2015 - 08:16 PM, said:

Something I am very curious about here, is scanning. Are we not able to obtain a scan of these shots at a higher resolution? It seems from most of these shots, that the pixels are just see-able enough, that if we had a larger scan of them without lossy compression from JPEG or GIF, or the automatic "newspaper" dithering technique (I don't know the name of it), and with some specifically written tools. We might be able to generate an accurate pixelated rendition of these shots for further analysis. It may even help to narrow out which shots are mock ups and which are legitimates.

You know, just to make sure (You damn kids with your music... >=X )

So what you're saying is... "If I had these I'd scan better than you"

Seriously what's with the scan quality? I mean a smartphone could take a better picture than that. Are they old scans? Are we scanning 2.5 cm sized paper? Who's scanning? What's scanning? Why the lossy formats? Even if they are fakes it would still be interesting to see them in better quality.

[SpeedStarTMQ]

I'm just amazed at these findings. Sonic stuff is always right under our noses - we all seem to think it's hidden away in vaults, but nope.

[MarkeyJester]

Irixion, on 09 May 2015 - 01:05 AM, said:

So what you're saying is... "If I had these I'd scan better than you"

Wow, you made me sound more arrogant than I intended =(

But no, silly, I'm saying... "If we had these we might be able to scan them better than they currently are, so we can do more with the resulting scans". I'm asking what's preventing us from doing that. Is it lack of copies of the original magazines/pages these came from? Is it that no one got around to doing it? Is it that no one considered the idea? Is it that those who have the copies lack the scanning equipement? I would naturally assume the first, but I can't go assuming everything, so I ask just to be sure dX

[Xeal]

I would scan.
If I actually had shit to scan

Which, in all honesty is what I think could be the actual problem here. People just don't own anything or have the means of acquiring something that needs to be scanned.

This post has been edited by Xeal: 09 May 2015 - 08:45 AM

[Black Squirrel]

Single page, or cropped bits of single pages are not a good idea. Not in 2015.

It was almost fine in 1998 when connections were slow, but look at the problem we have today - we're awash with fifteen year old scans, but no clue as to where many actually came from.

We want entire magazines. And by "we" I mean Sega Retro, because there are more games to document than Sonic.

[Toasty]

Is there a site with all of the beta screenshots on it? I know I've found something like that before, but I can't find it on google anymore....

[Herm the Germ]

Toasty, on 09 May 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

Is there a site with all of the beta screenshots on it? I know I've found something like that before, but I can't find it on google anymore....

Well, there's us...

[JumpingRyle]

Hello! I am the one who scanned this and posted it on Sega-16. I don't own the magazine but I know a collector who has a complete collection of Mega Drive Fan and Beep! Megadrive magazines (yes, it is awe-inspiring). He is pretty cool with me looking through it and scanning things at his house which is how I found this.

Here is the original 600 dpi jpeg of the page from the August 1990 issue of Mega Drive Fan:

http://s000.tinyuplo...993612280352719 (note: this is temporary hosting so if somebody has a better solution I'd appreciate it)

It is slightly crooked but I figured it was better to leave it that way rather than rotate and distort it. But feel free to straighten it up on your own

The next time I have a chance I will look for other early Sonic stuff. I know I've read a few interviews with Ohshima and Naka but have to find them.

By the way, I originally posted this scan out of frustration that Tom Kalinske continues to try to take credit for major design changes to Sonic, including adding the red shoes and making him not look like a serial killer. This prototype was made 5 months before Kalinske was hired by Sega. I hope people question his statements more!

This post has been edited by JumpingRyle: 09 May 2015 - 04:36 PM

[Cinossu]

Absolutely wonderful. Thank you very much for posting the original scan of this. I have rehosted it on Retro: