[Billy]

I think it's important to consider the demo versions of these songs.

I agree that this could definitely sound like a (creepy) carnival. It almost sounds like horror movie music at points.


However, this sounds distinctly "caribbean", what with the use of what sounds like steel drums.

Just my thoughts.

[ICEknight]

Do we know if Nakamura just make one revision of these? There may be different versions of each, depending on the levels he was told were being added/removed.

[Hez]

I may be wrong, but if I recall wasn't he using mostly pictures of Sonic 1's levels and mock-ups at the time of recording?

[Skully]

Billy, on 04 April 2015 - 03:53 PM, said:

I think it's important to consider the demo versions of these songs.

I agree that this could definitely sound like a (creepy) carnival. It almost sounds like horror movie music at points.


However, this sounds distinctly "caribbean", what with the use of what sounds like steel drums.

Just my thoughts.

I don't think those are steel drums. I know musical instruments, but I just don't know the names of then, but they don't sound like steel drums to me. Also, I really do like the demo versions. Someone should make a hack where the regular music's replaced with the demo version. They're both synthesized, so I guess it could technically work. Or even just make a Sega CD version.

[Toasty]

I want to talk about Hidden Palace's "real" music...the one in the final, how does everyone feel about that song? Love/hate it? Did you guys ever cycle through the sound test as a kid, come across it, and wonder where the hell this song played? Wasn't it track #10? I could never beat Death Egg (I still can't), so I imagined there was some epic ending I'd never see. It couldnt possibly be the credits, I knew the credits were a different track. Why was the song composed if HPZ was never worked on again? I don't like it...it feels like HPZ, unfinished. I can't decide if HPZ is supposed to be serious or casual, the feeling of MCZ 2P and HPZ's music are total opposites.

This post has been edited by Toasty: 06 April 2015 - 04:44 PM

[ICEknight]

Toasty, on 06 April 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

I want to talk about Hidden Palace's "real" music...the one in the final, how does everyone feel about that song? Love/hate it? Did you guys ever cycle through the sound test as a kid, come across it, and wonder where the hell this song played?

I thought it was Hidden Palace's, because I had finished the game and that was the only known level I hadn't played yet.

Then I started looking for it. Didn't work.

[OcelotBot]

Toasty, on 06 April 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

I want to talk about Hidden Palace's "real" music...the one in the final, how does everyone feel about that song? Love/hate it? Did you guys ever cycle through the sound test as a kid, come across it, and wonder where the hell this song played? Wasn't it track #10? I could never beat Death Egg (I still can't), so I imagined there was some epic ending I'd never see. It couldnt possibly be the credits, I knew the credits were a different track. Why was the song composed if HPZ was never worked on again? I don't like it...it feels like HPZ, unfinished. I can't decide if HPZ is supposed to be serious or casual, the feeling of MCZ 2P and HPZ's music are total opposites.

I think the Mystic Cave 2p music fits perfectly in StealthTax's version of Hidden Palace due to the atmosphere, design and flow of the stage.

As for track 10 (which was originally supposed to be cutscene music for HP), I was fascinated about this short-looping track when I was younger. I actually thought it could be an appropriate alternative track for the ending cutscene (when Tails rescues Sonic as he falls from the Death Egg at the end of Sonic 2). Other than that track 10 doesn't seem to fit anywhere else.

In Sonic 2 Remastered track 10 is used in "Proto Palace" (StealthTax's recreation of the original incomplete version of HP). It's such a nice nostalgia trip. Fits the stage quite well.

This post has been edited by OcelotBot: 06 April 2015 - 05:24 PM

[ICEknight]

OcelotBot, on 06 April 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

In Sonic 2 Remastered track 10 is used in "Proto Palace" (StealthTax's recreation of the original incomplete version of HP). It's such a nice nostalgia trip. Fits the stage quite well.

Speaking of, it would have been amazing if they could have finished that version according to the original designs, but I guess no maps of it survived...

[Toasty]

Was HPZ's final music in the Simon Wai beta in any form? If I'm remembering correctly every single zone that appeared in the final had music in the beta (even if the level was unfinished or didn't exist at all) except HPZ. Why did it suddenly in the final game, on a level that hadn't been worked on since the beginning of development?

ICEknight, on 06 April 2015 - 05:07 PM, said:

Toasty, on 06 April 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

I want to talk about Hidden Palace's "real" music...the one in the final, how does everyone feel about that song? Love/hate it? Did you guys ever cycle through the sound test as a kid, come across it, and wonder where the hell this song played?

I thought it was Hidden Palace's, because I had finished the game and that was the only known level I hadn't played yet.

Then I started looking for it. Didn't work.

I guess I lived under a rock as a kid, I had no idea about HPZ until the internet, which we didn't get until the late 90s...

This post has been edited by Toasty: 06 April 2015 - 05:45 PM

[ICEknight]

Toasty, on 06 April 2015 - 05:43 PM, said:

I guess I lived under a rock as a kid, I had no idea about HPZ until the internet, which we didn't get until the late 90s...

In Europe (or at least in Spain), we got footage of most of the Hidden Palace demo prior to release, plus some screenshots of it from the only prototype build that still hasn't been unearthed, I believe.

This post has been edited by ICEknight: 06 April 2015 - 05:50 PM

[Hez]

ICEknight, on 06 April 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

OcelotBot, on 06 April 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

In Sonic 2 Remastered track 10 is used in "Proto Palace" (StealthTax's recreation of the original incomplete version of HP). It's such a nice nostalgia trip. Fits the stage quite well.

Speaking of, it would have been amazing if they could have finished that version according to the original designs, but I guess no maps of it survived...

Were there any maps that did survive?

[Chibisteven]

Toasty, on 06 April 2015 - 05:43 PM, said:

Was HPZ's final music in the Simon Wai beta in any form? If I'm remembering correctly every single zone that appeared in the final had music in the beta (even if the level was unfinished or didn't exist at all) except HPZ. Why did it suddenly in the final game, on a level that hadn't been worked on since the beginning of development?
I guess I lived under a rock as a kid, I had no idea about HPZ until the internet, which we didn't get until the late 90s...

No. Somebody either would have found it by now or I'm fuzzy on details. But you are right about all the other zone music.

This post has been edited by Chibisteven: 20 April 2015 - 11:46 PM