[STHX]

Andrew75, on 31 January 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

I guess I should have said SOA as thats what I was writing about, and that's what the topic is about..(SOA Moving) Steam ports in particular were pretty bad.
Alien: Isolation was a great game I loved it, but it had its share of bugs that broke the experience. Its not just 1 year of games that caused the issue's Sega is having its many years of games with issues plaguing them, and just one of the reasons why people are not buying them, they have a bad taste in their mouth. I'm not saying that all he games are bad of course. but if you buy 3 or more games from a company in a row for example you start to doubt their commitments to making a solid game as a whole missing the good ones along the way.

Not like I want to defend SoA but I can't name any big publisher game released in 2014 which didn't have some pretty big and even gamebreaking bugs (not only in the pc version but also on console). Halo TMCC, Driveclub, AC:Unity, Watchdogs just to name some. Sonic Boom takes the cake because it's also a legitimately bad game, but this is the videogame industry of today: ship your game as soon as possibile, grab the money and run.

[Overlord]

TheKazeblade, on 30 January 2015 - 11:22 PM, said:

AngelComa, on 30 January 2015 - 10:45 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 30 January 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

Bring Sonic Team back to the US where almost all of the best Sonic titles were developed. Reinstate STI. Demand Atlas actually take advantage of some of the legacy franchises they have access to.

Moving Sonic Team to America isn't going to make their games better or have them make another Retro style game.

No, but it would put them directly into its most successful territory as opposed to their least successful.

Move them to the most successful territory? But you just said move them to America, not Europe. =P

[TimmiT]

TheKazeblade, on 30 January 2015 - 11:22 PM, said:

AngelComa, on 30 January 2015 - 10:45 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 30 January 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

Bring Sonic Team back to the US where almost all of the best Sonic titles were developed. Reinstate STI. Demand Atlas actually take advantage of some of the legacy franchises they have access to.

Moving Sonic Team to America isn't going to make their games better or have them make another Retro style game.

No, but it would put them directly into its most successful territory as opposed to their least successful. Whether or not that would have an effect I don't know. Probably not. But at least they wouldn't be quite as holed up in their ivory tower.

*Puts TheKazeBlade on list of people who don't know enough about game development to talk about it but do so anyway*

Also come on dude, last time Sonic Team had an American branch they made Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow the Hedgehog and NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams. Also, nothing against their community managers who are great, but SEGA America has been the part of SEGA putting out bad stuff lately.

This post has been edited by TimmiT: 31 January 2015 - 02:52 PM

[DigitalDuck]

In this thread, people with no experience of ever running a business tell a business that has been (relatively) successfully run how to run a business.

[AngelComa]

I don't get why people think 'reinforce' means 'make more bad sonic games'. This the meaning of the word.

"Strengthen or support, especially with additional personnel or material."

Sounds to me that SEGA of America will get a bigger team to deal with Sonic stuff and more support. Sonic makes money and in the future he will have to have a team presence world wide. They have been works like that Sony movie, upcoming Sonic team game It sounds to me that SEGA is just having a team work on merchandising and other Sonic deals in America and deal with smaller digital games (Dash, Jump).

SEGA America has done quite a bit for the Sonic obviously. Some of their fantastic deals are still making money like the Archie comics that's one of the longest running licensed comicbooks ever. I think if this means letting SOA deal more with cellphone ports, sonic merchandising, promoting other releases from ST and less them handling big american projects (See Colonial Marines, Marvel games, Sonic Boom) the better.

[TheKazeblade]

TimmiT, on 31 January 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 30 January 2015 - 11:22 PM, said:

AngelComa, on 30 January 2015 - 10:45 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 30 January 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

Bring Sonic Team back to the US where almost all of the best Sonic titles were developed. Reinstate STI. Demand Atlas actually take advantage of some of the legacy franchises they have access to.

Moving Sonic Team to America isn't going to make their games better or have them make another Retro style game.

No, but it would put them directly into its most successful territory as opposed to their least successful. Whether or not that would have an effect I don't know. Probably not. But at least they wouldn't be quite as holed up in their ivory tower.

*Puts TheKazeBlade on list of people who don't know enough about game development to talk about it but do so anyway*

Also come on dude, last time Sonic Team had an American branch they made Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow the Hedgehog and NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams. Also, nothing against their community managers who are great, but SEGA America has been the part of SEGA putting out bad stuff lately.

No need to be a dick, chum. Yeah, I don't know about game design, but if you'd actually read the comment AngelComa was originally responding to, you'd know that the full context was that I wanted that to happen AFTER I said I want SoJ to be dismantled and re-organized. Whatever, staff gonna staff.

And take a look at some of the SoA Glassdoor stuff. Do you think SoA wants to be putting out crap? They're every move is forced by SoJ, who have no real understanding of the situation outside of their territory.
http://www.glassdoor...views-E4174.htm

[TimmiT]

TheKazeblade, on 31 January 2015 - 04:29 PM, said:

TimmiT, on 31 January 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 30 January 2015 - 11:22 PM, said:

AngelComa, on 30 January 2015 - 10:45 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 30 January 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

Bring Sonic Team back to the US where almost all of the best Sonic titles were developed. Reinstate STI. Demand Atlas actually take advantage of some of the legacy franchises they have access to.

Moving Sonic Team to America isn't going to make their games better or have them make another Retro style game.

No, but it would put them directly into its most successful territory as opposed to their least successful. Whether or not that would have an effect I don't know. Probably not. But at least they wouldn't be quite as holed up in their ivory tower.

*Puts TheKazeBlade on list of people who don't know enough about game development to talk about it but do so anyway*

Also come on dude, last time Sonic Team had an American branch they made Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow the Hedgehog and NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams. Also, nothing against their community managers who are great, but SEGA America has been the part of SEGA putting out bad stuff lately.

No need to be a dick, chum. Yeah, I don't know about game design, but if you'd actually read the comment AngelComa was originally responding to, you'd know that the full context was that I wanted that to happen AFTER I said I want SoJ to be dismantled and re-organized. Whatever, staff gonna staff.

And take a look at some of the SoA Glassdoor stuff. Do you think SoA wants to be putting out crap? They're every move is forced by SoJ, who have no real understanding of the situation outside of their territory.
http://www.glassdoor...views-E4174.htm

Right, sorry for being a dick. Still not clear how making the series in the US would improve anything.

[Dark Sonic]

DigitalDuck, on 31 January 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

In this thread, people with no experience of ever running a business tell a business that has been (relatively) successfully run how to run a business.

It's true, I don't know how to run a business. However you cannot say that Sega does. Not even talking about Sammy or anything, just pure Sega home entertainment. When was the last time they made a really good move? Had to have been sometime pre Saturn.

[TheKazeblade]

TimmiT, on 31 January 2015 - 04:44 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 31 January 2015 - 04:29 PM, said:

TimmiT, on 31 January 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 30 January 2015 - 11:22 PM, said:

AngelComa, on 30 January 2015 - 10:45 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 30 January 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

Bring Sonic Team back to the US where almost all of the best Sonic titles were developed. Reinstate STI. Demand Atlas actually take advantage of some of the legacy franchises they have access to.

Moving Sonic Team to America isn't going to make their games better or have them make another Retro style game.

No, but it would put them directly into its most successful territory as opposed to their least successful. Whether or not that would have an effect I don't know. Probably not. But at least they wouldn't be quite as holed up in their ivory tower.

*Puts TheKazeBlade on list of people who don't know enough about game development to talk about it but do so anyway*

Also come on dude, last time Sonic Team had an American branch they made Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow the Hedgehog and NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams. Also, nothing against their community managers who are great, but SEGA America has been the part of SEGA putting out bad stuff lately.

No need to be a dick, chum. Yeah, I don't know about game design, but if you'd actually read the comment AngelComa was originally responding to, you'd know that the full context was that I wanted that to happen AFTER I said I want SoJ to be dismantled and re-organized. Whatever, staff gonna staff.

And take a look at some of the SoA Glassdoor stuff. Do you think SoA wants to be putting out crap? They're every move is forced by SoJ, who have no real understanding of the situation outside of their territory.
http://www.glassdoor...views-E4174.htm

Right, sorry for being a dick. Still not clear how making the series in the US would improve anything.

It's all good, man.

My rationale is just having the development team in an area where their games are successful (Admittedly, no it doesn't have to be SoA, it could also be SoE) might change the corporate input and priorities when it comes to development compared to having it based in one of their constantly worst-selling territories.

Also would free them from being constantly being under SoJ's corporate system on a daily basis, which could only be a good thing.

[DigitalDuck]

Dark Sonic, on 31 January 2015 - 04:48 PM, said:

It's true, I don't know how to run a business. However you cannot say that Sega does. Not even talking about Sammy or anything, just pure Sega home entertainment. When was the last time they made a really good move? Had to have been sometime pre Saturn.

Why does "running a business" need to involve "making a really good move"? Last time I checked, running a business involved turning profits, and SEGA have been managing that (albeit somewhat tentatively at times).

[Dark Sonic]

DigitalDuck, on 31 January 2015 - 05:23 PM, said:

Dark Sonic, on 31 January 2015 - 04:48 PM, said:

It's true, I don't know how to run a business. However you cannot say that Sega does. Not even talking about Sammy or anything, just pure Sega home entertainment. When was the last time they made a really good move? Had to have been sometime pre Saturn.

Why does "running a business" need to involve "making a really good move"? Last time I checked, running a business involved turning profits, and SEGA have been managing that (albeit somewhat tentatively at times).

When has the console division made any money in recent memory? I'm not talking about Pachinkos and arcade machines, those do fine in Japan because Japan.

[TimmiT]

Dark Sonic, on 31 January 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:

DigitalDuck, on 31 January 2015 - 05:23 PM, said:

Dark Sonic, on 31 January 2015 - 04:48 PM, said:

It's true, I don't know how to run a business. However you cannot say that Sega does. Not even talking about Sammy or anything, just pure Sega home entertainment. When was the last time they made a really good move? Had to have been sometime pre Saturn.

Why does "running a business" need to involve "making a really good move"? Last time I checked, running a business involved turning profits, and SEGA have been managing that (albeit somewhat tentatively at times).

When has the console division made any money in recent memory? I'm not talking about Pachinkos and arcade machines, those do fine in Japan because Japan.

Alien Isolation?

[The KKM]

TheKazeblade, on 31 January 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:

TimmiT, on 31 January 2015 - 04:44 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 31 January 2015 - 04:29 PM, said:

TimmiT, on 31 January 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 30 January 2015 - 11:22 PM, said:

AngelComa, on 30 January 2015 - 10:45 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 30 January 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

Bring Sonic Team back to the US where almost all of the best Sonic titles were developed. Reinstate STI. Demand Atlas actually take advantage of some of the legacy franchises they have access to.

Moving Sonic Team to America isn't going to make their games better or have them make another Retro style game.

No, but it would put them directly into its most successful territory as opposed to their least successful. Whether or not that would have an effect I don't know. Probably not. But at least they wouldn't be quite as holed up in their ivory tower.

*Puts TheKazeBlade on list of people who don't know enough about game development to talk about it but do so anyway*

Also come on dude, last time Sonic Team had an American branch they made Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow the Hedgehog and NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams. Also, nothing against their community managers who are great, but SEGA America has been the part of SEGA putting out bad stuff lately.

No need to be a dick, chum. Yeah, I don't know about game design, but if you'd actually read the comment AngelComa was originally responding to, you'd know that the full context was that I wanted that to happen AFTER I said I want SoJ to be dismantled and re-organized. Whatever, staff gonna staff.

And take a look at some of the SoA Glassdoor stuff. Do you think SoA wants to be putting out crap? They're every move is forced by SoJ, who have no real understanding of the situation outside of their territory.
http://www.glassdoor...views-E4174.htm

Right, sorry for being a dick. Still not clear how making the series in the US would improve anything.

It's all good, man.

My rationale is just having the development team in an area where their games are successful (Admittedly, no it doesn't have to be SoA, it could also be SoE) might change the corporate input and priorities when it comes to development compared to having it based in one of their constantly worst-selling territories.

Also would free them from being constantly being under SoJ's corporate system on a daily basis, which could only be a good thing.

The very same reviews you linked to point more to SoE being a more direct problem to SoA than SoJ. So as long as we're doing the "eeew eww japanese people go away" deal, there's really nowhere to go but America, is there?

[TimmiT]

The KKM, on 31 January 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:

TheKazeblade, on 31 January 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:

It's all good, man.

My rationale is just having the development team in an area where their games are successful (Admittedly, no it doesn't have to be SoA, it could also be SoE) might change the corporate input and priorities when it comes to development compared to having it based in one of their constantly worst-selling territories.

Also would free them from being constantly being under SoJ's corporate system on a daily basis, which could only be a good thing.

The very same reviews you linked to point more to SoE being a more direct problem to SoA than SoJ. So as long as we're doing the "eeew eww japanese people go away" deal, there's really nowhere to go but America, is there?

Wouldn't the supposed solution just be "don't have a shitty corporate system" anyway? Meaning that it wouldn't really matter if it'd be in Europe, US, Japan or whatever as long as what needs to be changed gets changed?

This post has been edited by TimmiT: 31 January 2015 - 05:48 PM

[The KKM]

Pretty much. Reading those reviews, seems a big problem might be fatcats in Europe establishing security for them at the expense of better people. That'd seem more relevant to tackle than "nooo japan noo", as that's a direct hit and control on the operations of SEGA West.

This post has been edited by The KKM: 31 January 2015 - 06:01 PM