[Diablohead]

Blue Blood, on 30 June 2015 - 06:06 PM, said:

Diablohead, on 30 June 2015 - 05:14 PM, said:

also ads can be used to revive, if you buy something you are losing that bonus revive in a good score run.

flawed game right now, I hate it.

Uh... that's not how it works.

Deals like this remove all mandatory ads. In other SEGA games (Dash, Crazy Taxi...), all ads are removed after making a purchase, expect those you specifically choose to watch for little bonuses. Regardless though, I'm pretty sure at this stage that Runners doesn't remove the mandatory ads whatever you do.

I read somewhere that using an adblock on android removed that watch video for a revive button also which is what I was thinking about.

They just need to return it to beta test levels of red rings and no video add after a run unless you ask for it, I'll be totally happy with that. The current red ring income is so low now I've given up playing it, was nearly level 150 too.

[Pulse0]

I'll have to chime in and say I feel that this excessive bashing is unwarranted. Sonic runners is a Free game. Meaning its really absurd to be "crying" over this game like I've been seeing.

"A free game is not absolved from critique" that much is true, but there is very much a limit, because its free. There is no loss to you, you're given an entire game with no cost to you what so ever.
This falls in the "beggars cant be choosers" category.

While I can understand that people might not be getting what they want or like, At this point in time it's well understood most major companies have already abused the free to play model to the point where you can't do much with the initial package to begin with if you refuse to use money to up your progress or get what you want. Sonic dash was and still is a clear indicator of the SEGA's attitude toward the F2P model.

For them f2p is about soullessly making money, and all those fans putting up cash for a gambling chance of 6% for a cosmetic change, are by definition "suckers" of the trade. Their unyielding and imo unnecessary devotion to a era past, is clearly being exploited, and foolishly becoming their downfall.

I like sonic as much as the next (normal) fan_ but the Modern vs Classic is a foolish argument - Sonic is Sonic, and now Runners is making you "pay" for it. (get it pay lol)

The solution and respectable thing to do is not play it and not spend money if you don't like it. Don't monetarily support something that's FREE, unless you actually support the game and CHOOSE to do so (like heartstone theyre respectable). It cost nothing you to pick Runners up or put it down so at the core of this... You really only have yourself to blame here. Complaining about it will just keep SEGA CEO's laughing at you because they've aready made the sale on something free, they now have your money on something that is free, your still supporting it because of your uncontrollable urge to be "classic" with every purchased attempt, and they wont change their practices because you've been "suckered" into them for every real money purchase you've made for anything. And rest of the Gaming world will continue to look at Sonic fans the way they do. (not positively)

And a lot of people may not like what I'm saying but its the gritty truth of the matter. Enjoy it, Tolerate it, or Don't Play, its that simple - why because its free.

(>_<) Watches for potential hammer*

This post has been edited by Pulse0: 01 July 2015 - 11:41 AM

[GerbilSoft]

Pulse0, on 01 July 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

I'll have to chime in and say I feel that this excessive bashing is unwarranted. Sonic runners is a Free game. Meaning its really absurd to be "crying" over this game like I've been seeing.

Linux is a free operating system, yet I see lots of people bashing it all the time because gaemz. Is that bashing warranted?

</totally off-topic >

This post has been edited by GerbilSoft: 01 July 2015 - 11:49 AM
Reason for edit: fix smiley

[DigitalDuck]

GerbilSoft, on 01 July 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

Linux is a free operating system, yet I see lots of people bashing it all the time because gaemz. Is that bashing warranted?

Kinda not, for the same reasons. If you tell people to use Linux, then they're warranted to say "lol no" just as much as if I tell someone to play Runners, they're warranted to say "lol no".


Pulse0: Criticism isn't a bad thing; there's no point in saying, "if you don't like it, stop playing and fuck off" because public criticism does help to improve the game. But at the same time, if you don't want to support their decisions with this game, the worst two things you can do are:
1) continue playing the game, giving them ad revenue, and
2) buy red rings, giving them direct revenue

So that sentiment isn't unjustified either; if you don't like it, at the very least you're making it worse by continuing to play the game.

[Mykonos]

Going from what DigitalDuck said, it's fair to point out that calmly posting critique and concerns about this game in a Retro thread isn't entirely aimless as these threads are generally checked on by someone at SEGA's PR, at least they used to be. So while that can't influence much of anything, particularly to the higher-ups at SEGA JP, it's better than nothing.

[GeneHF]

Pulse0, on 01 July 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

(>_<) Watches for potential hammer*

Relax, no one's getting the hammer for pointing out the contrary as long as it's done in a respectful manner. The guy that got hammered was being a jackass about it. That shit may fly on gamefaqs or neogaf, but it does not fly here.

But your post is completely okay and I agree with quite a bit of it. It's unlikely the game will be changed anyway since it looks like it's still holding. And for all my griping, I'm still playing the game since I hold strong that the core gameplay is pretty fun in bursts. I just wish it wasn't so muddled by all this crap.

[Tanks]

Yeah honestly its completely tolerable and despite my gripes I find I keep coming back to play it. Maybe it's because I want a death egg... I dunno.
One thing I have been doing though is turning off the music and running my vgms with DroidSound-E. Shit's cash. Especially when you've got Azure Lake going. Something about that song really meshes well with the gameplay. That and Launch Base. <_<

[GeneHF]

I use stuff from Woofle's Soundcloud

https://soundcloud.c...ht-zone-present

Custom soundtracks are always appreciated, if Sonic Dash has taught me anything with its godawful remix.

[JennyTablina]

In all honesty the fuss about runners hasn't been bad as some sonic titles get here and is generally reasonable concerns.

Runners was pretty addictive pre-beta and still is addictive and fun, but the experience has been somewhat marred by the changes made for worldwide launch. I really enjoy the game and hate admitting that - but it's a truth that's hard to deny.

Of course it's free, though I did buy red rings, and got hit by the roulette error - sega are being pants on head useless about giving me back the red rings I got pre-crash. Which doesn't help matters really, I know Gameloft will compensate players no questions asked if they complain about losing a save ect. SEGA should be at least doing that.

The JP twitter seems to be suggesting the next batch of episodes are incoming, I assume they'll be added as the birthday event ends.

[Dark Sonic]

Ya that's the thing, it's a fun game but it's flawed with bullshit. Maybe I had an overreaction, but I'm not playing it anymore because I'm tired of "fun game but flawed." That's a lot of Sonic games. I'm sick of the experimentation and the insertion of pointless bullshit (Microtransactions, medal hunting, animal collection grinding, alternate gameplay styles, etc. Basically everything since 99). I don't want to be robbed of something I want after multiple attempts due to something that boils down to luck.

Is it so much to ask that they make something fun and simple? If they're worried about the game being short just lower the price and release a smaller game. No one would be mad if it's fun. Just after 15 years of "it has some good ideas with meh to bleh execution" I'm just tired in general. 26 spins of the wheel was the final straw.

[DigitalDuck]

Dark Sonic, on 01 July 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

Is it so much to ask that they make something fun and simple?

Again, they're not trying to make something fun and simple. They're trying to make something which earns them moolah. From what I've seen, this is doing its job pretty well.

[GeneHF]

It's only been 15 years of the same ho-hum trash for the brand because it keeps selling. We only have ourselves to blame because, "The next one could be the one!"

Granted a few good ones DID pop up, but Generations could have had so much more.

[Dark Sonic]

DigitalDuck, on 01 July 2015 - 05:46 PM, said:

Dark Sonic, on 01 July 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

Is it so much to ask that they make something fun and simple?

Again, they're not trying to make something fun and simple. They're trying to make something which earns them moolah. From what I've seen, this is doing its job pretty well.

Yea I know just wishful thinking. It can be both though. But yea Gene's right we keep buying them, so they keep making em. Hopefully though the trend of worse and worse console game sales will be an eye opener for them in that department, or they'll just go further down this route. Either way, I'm going to be veryyyy very stingy when it comes to giving money to this series now, more so than after Sonic 06.

Well if this game makes some money hopefully Sonic Team can afford a dental plan. Maybe then Iizuka can fix his crooked as shit teeth.

But seriously. They've fixed so much of the exterior crap of the series. The TV show is pretty good, the comic is far better than it was before, they got some decent merchandise, and their twitter feed is spot on. But the core is just awful. How do they expect their series to function if the foundation is crumbling?

EDIT: You know, I would love the opportunity to give Sega money if they gave me something I wanted to give my money towards. How can I show them what I want if they don't give me the option (Classic Sonic). Remake Sonic 3 and Knuckles? I'd buy 3. Remake it Generations style but accurate physics? I'd buy 10. Seriously. I realize they listen to the almighty dollar, but if my options are Sonic Runners, Sonic Dash 1 & Angry Birds, Sonic Dash 2, Sonic Boom 2, and Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games 5 (What an awful month of reveals, we go from nothing to pure brand integrity genocide), seriously why bother. Why does anyone bother? But they don't care about my dollar if they get 10 x more from idiots I guess.

This post has been edited by Dark Sonic: 01 July 2015 - 06:29 PM

[.Luke]

What kind of specs does it take to play this game anyway? (Not that I can right now, with my phone being like "I know I have space for more apps, but I'm going to be a dick with the blocked up caches anyway." right now.) If it's possible to flush the ads with a third-party app, I'd guess my biggest gripes would then instead be squarely on the DRM and Amy.

While my RCA tablet can run OpenArena at a playable frame-rate in third-person, I have high doubts it will like Runners, and that's bad. This game sounds like it's written in Java or something.

GeneHF, on 01 July 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

Pulse0, on 01 July 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

(>_<) Watches for potential hammer*

Relax, no one's getting the hammer for pointing out the contrary as long as it's done in a respectful manner. The guy that got hammered was being a jackass about it.

Gene, you really live up to your usertitle. I wouldn't have made that distinction as quickly.

I recently posted something along the lines of "lol this fanbase is babies" on another forum, and boy did I get (rightly) hammered for it. Always read topics thoroughly, and never broadly throw that Sonic fan stereotype around; all of which Pulse is avoiding really well.

[KingOfBunnies]

Question about one thing. The 3rd time you fight Eggman, and you get the "Top Speed" message for the first time, is that an upgrade from the second speed up you get or is it exactly the same thing?

Also, on a side note, it's weird on the first speed up withe Classic Sonic, his feet don't get the blur effect even though the animation is the one that would have them. I know the feet aren't moving super fast, but still, it would have been nice for that to be there.

This post has been edited by KingOfBunnies: 01 July 2015 - 07:49 PM