[360]

We're holding off on taking any further action until given further notice from Stealth. The campaign will remain dormant until we hear from him.

[big smile]

OcelotBot, on 19 June 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

The number of signatures is still increasing, be it very slowly. Currently at 8842.

I'm quite surprised that signatures are increasing, as I was expecting the lack of promotion to have killed it off.

Interestingly, most of the traffic is coming from Josh's video. However, there are also mini surges of interest from some of the more niche blog articles that 360 and myself got published. This is especially surprising, as I wouldn't have thought people would still be reading old articles! I guess it shows some people take a while to respond.

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http://gamesymphony..../2015/14th.html
^ Sega are holding a Game Symphony which will have a special Sonic programme. It will play music from all the key Mega Drive Sonic games, except for Sonic 3, which further reinforces the legal issues theory.


EDIT: Also Microsoft is asking for which 360 games should be emulated on Xbox One. Sonic 3 is on the list. If Stealth gives the go ahead, we might consider asking them to bring Sonic 3 Remastered. It's a long shot, but worth a try.

This post has been edited by big smile: 20 June 2015 - 02:31 AM

[Josh]

big smile, on 20 June 2015 - 02:28 AM, said:

Interestingly, most of the traffic is coming from Josh's video.

Those are probably new fans of mine looking through my archives. I can de-list the video if you want, seeing as we're holding.

[Nova]

Josh, on 20 June 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

big smile, on 20 June 2015 - 02:28 AM, said:

Interestingly, most of the traffic is coming from Josh's video.

Those are probably new fans of mine looking through my archives. I can de-list the video if you want, seeing as we're holding.

Keep it up, at least for now. It's not like it's currently receiving a huge push or any major mainstream attention, so better to let it quietly gather support in the instance we can relaunch it.

[big smile]

Yes, I agree with Nova, I wouldn't delist it. Even though the campaign's dormant, it's good for it to still awareness. That way, we will have something to build on for the relaunch.

[Lord Nero]

Sooo..I've been working on my own little YouTube campaign as well, mainly playthroughs of the 3 games already released (alongside Extra video's detailing better all the differences and goodies within) and supplemental material between each game, however, since checking here again, it seems the campaign is basically on hiatus, so, would it be frowned upon if I still uploaded said video's as a part of the campaign, or should I just hold off until further notice?

[big smile]

Lord Nero, on 20 June 2015 - 06:29 AM, said:

Sooo..I've been working on my own little YouTube campaign as well, mainly playthroughs of the 3 games already released (alongside Extra video's detailing better all the differences and goodies within) and supplemental material between each game, however, since checking here again, it seems the campaign is basically on hiatus, so, would it be frowned upon if I still uploaded said video's as a part of the campaign, or should I just hold off until further notice?

Your Youtube videos sound interesting! However, it's probably best to hold off until Stealth gives the go ahead, as we wouldn't want to interfere with anything.

[Lord Nero]

big smile, on 20 June 2015 - 08:48 AM, said:

Lord Nero, on 20 June 2015 - 06:29 AM, said:

Sooo..I've been working on my own little YouTube campaign as well, mainly playthroughs of the 3 games already released (alongside Extra video's detailing better all the differences and goodies within) and supplemental material between each game, however, since checking here again, it seems the campaign is basically on hiatus, so, would it be frowned upon if I still uploaded said video's as a part of the campaign, or should I just hold off until further notice?

Your Youtube videos sound interesting! However, it's probably best to hold off until Stealth gives the go ahead, as we wouldn't want to interfere with anything.

Alrighty, I'll hold off on releasing everything then until everything's gravy, should allow me enough time to ensure the utmost quality (and censoring, in the event I curse, lol).

[Stealth]

Well, might as well, since someone already brought it up (elsewhere) in relation to some of my recent posts

The situation that I mentioned a while ago has, for all practical purpose, found resolution. Ultimately, to my knowledge, nothing has changed that concerns moving this campaign forward. I'm still not able to discuss it but I wish it had turned out differently. I apologize for this waste of time

To clarify, nothing that occurred was in regard to Sonic 3's legal status or the approval of this project. To my knowledge, both are the same as when we started

That said, I've made a few comments on this in my most recent blog post

Again, I'm all for getting the project approved; as it stands, I would do it if I weren't already otherwise occupied when the opportunity finally arose. I'm also not opposed to joining more awareness events and such

Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Just, please, from now on, try very hard not to leave people with the impression that Taxman and I created the petition or the campaign in general. I've had to clean a lot of that up and I haven't always been successful. People have accused us of "begging SEGA for a job", whereas Taxman prefers to remain silent, and as for myself, I'm just joining the ruckus because "why not?". I've got other stuff to do if they don't want me; I just also wanted to continue with Sonic in an official capacity

At least there's still Megamix at some point in the future. One day, the totality of the time I'm allowed to dedicate to it will add up to completion, presumably

[TheKazeblade]

Welp, that's pretty heartbreaking. There goes the last visage of hope this franchise had fostered between 2011 and 2014. There is literally nothing Sonic related to be excited about coming from Sega at this point. Wish you luck in your pursuits, Stealth.

[360]

Thanks for the update Stealth. It was good of you to return here and let us know. Your efforts are appreciated. As for the campaign we tried and united as a community to do so. We did everything we possibly could. Failure was always a possibility and we should be glad that we at least did something to try and make this happen. Yes the outcome wasn't the one we wanted but it was better than doing nothing at all. If anything we did indicate to Sega that there is demand for this so that may end up influencing their decisions in the future. We didn't get an immediate response from them but that doesn't mean we ultimately had zero impact. If Sonic 3 Remastered is ever announced it's highly likely our efforts would have contributed to that decision. To echo TheKazeblade I do agree. There is nothing at the moment as a Sonic fan to get excited about. Sega is due to make some announcements at TGS so hopefully something Sonic related is among them.

Also Stealth one thing that came to mind last night; have you thought about a dedicated thread on Sonic Retro to boost your campaign? It's kind of buried here in the Sonic 3 Anniversary thread and I don't think it has enough visibility for members to see it. If you could somehow connect this funding drive to a concentrated and concerted effort to for example increase your efforts on Sonic Megamix due to the new found freedom financial independence will provide I can see many members here being interested in donating to your cause. Personally I'd be interested in donating somewhere in the region of $25 a month if it meant that you'd have more time to work on Megamix. Just something to think about. There are many members on here who have far more financial capability than myself. It might be worth letting them know about your campaign particularly if it means you'd have more time to work on Megamix. If I'm interested as a fan of Megamix then that means others would be too.

Maybe post a dedicated thread or even bump the Megamix thread? Good luck either way. Hope your campaign is successful.

This post has been edited by 360: 07 July 2015 - 12:46 PM

[Mykonos]

Definitely second making your own thread for the Patreon.

It's sad to hear this concerning Sonic 3, but I think the most troubling thing is that despite our efforts it seems you were relayed no acknowledgement of the campaign from SEGA. I believe everyone involved with the petition did their best and truly had their heart behind it, but that "mobile-only" shackle fully was a sticking point for a lot of would-be supporters. That baffles me as a minute of reading would have let them know that A: successful mobile versions could pave the way for home releases and more importantly B: with programs such as BlueStacks these titles can be played with a controller. Sadly that message goes beyond the headline of "Sonic 3 Remaster petition" and lost so many people who couldn't spare a click or a few paragraphs of reading.

If nothing else, we still have wonderful renditions of Sonic 1, 2, and CD, alongside great results like Sonic 3 Remastered.

[Josh]

Yeah, I think THE primary thing that kept the petition from being more successful was simply SEGA's failure to release 1 and 2 on consoles and PC. The long-time, old-school gamers we needed to make this thing huge tend to be the same people who despise mobile games much more than your average person, and as long as that was the focus, plenty of them just wouldn't care.

Add to that the fact that Sega has re-released ports of the Genesis titles over and over and over for years, and it's all the less appealing for the uninformed observer. If you're a casual Sonic fan, why should you care if Sega releases yet another version of Sonic 3 on hardware you'd never play a video game on? I mean, we could try something to at least get 1 and 2 released on Steam, but I think we'd run into some of the same problems.

Finally, as Stealth said in his blog post (which you all really should read if you haven't), online petitions are rightly treated without a modicum of respect. The $2.99 letter-writing campaign might have made an impact, or at least gotten a response, if we'd managed it on a similar scale, but it's much, much harder to get people to take action like that.

[big smile]

We knew from the start that the online petition wouldn't be taken seriously, which is why the letter writing campaign was the original method. The online petition was added later and I was hoping it would given the letter writing aspect a boost, but the responses stayed virtually the same.

Some of the people signing the petition are weird. I frequently get email asking for a free download link to the game. When I explain the situation and provide a direct link to the petition, they email back complaining that the game won't install.

I won't take the campaign down (at least until the domain expires). However, unless there's a credible way of boosting responses to the letter campaign, I probably wont be doing anything more for it, at least in the immediate future. We knew it was a long shot and at least now we can say we tried our hardest.

If time allows, I might have another crack at a YouTube video just to give it one last go, but I've got a bit busy with other things, so I don't want to make any promises I can''t keep. If anyone still wants to contribute, feel free to get in touch, and I'll be happy to offer any logos, graphics or anything else you require.

[DigitalDuck]

Josh, on 07 July 2015 - 03:55 PM, said:

Yeah, I think THE primary thing that kept the petition from being more successful was simply SEGA's failure to release 1 and 2 on consoles and PC [...] Sega has re-released ports of the Genesis titles over and over and over for years [...] online petitions are rightly treated without a modicum of respect.

*sigh*

Does nobody realise that outside of the hardcore Sonic fanbase, people are barely even aware there is a Sonic 3? The vast majority of people buying these are people with nostalgic memories of the games they played when they were younger.

The original Sonic was a big sensation. Sonic 2 was bundled with the system. Everyone with a Mega Drive played these. "Oh, I remember this, I played it as a kid. Yeah, it was alright. Sonic 3? There's a Sonic 3?"


The reason a petition for Sonic 3 was always going to fail is the same reason SEGA haven't already released Sonic 3 in some form on mobile, and it's got fuck all to do with the music (that apparently only applies on Thursdays when the moon is waning).

People don't give a shit about Sonic 3.