[GeneHF]

Then... leave them alone? Shit, I go running around saying SA2 is objectively a horrible game, but I don't expect to change people's opinions on it. I leave that to them. They love it? Fine. They hate it? Great.

Put your talents toward something more productive. This is just a massive waste.

[NoNameAtAll]

Just popping in to say that if this becomes an Opinion Feces Slingfest, I'm trashing this. So behave, folks. I'll be eyeing this.

[Roller]

HD Unleashed was, at least to me, fun.

I'd always be up for HD Unleashed, just like I'm always happy to play Generations, or dabble with Heroes and the Classic trilogy. The Werehog is stop-start at the best of times, but remembering the daytime stages (Eggmanland included) and the thrill I had with those makes me almost regret selling my PS3. The Egg Dragoon, by the way, is the best Eggman boss battle of the Modern era... which makes no sense because it uses the Werehog, but whatever.

I'd also like to make a special mention of the hubworlds... they weren't fun to play, but their characterisation of the NPCs was fantastic. None of the characters fall into racist or sexist stereotypes... they're basically real people, and throughout the course of the game (if you're paying attention) you discover things like the man from the big city who decides to live life in the slow lane, or the girl from Shamar who ends up realising her dream of going to Spagonia's University with Sonic's help. Little things like that made the game for me. The worldbuilding- Pixar-esque designs, societies that are multifaceted and the beautiful zones- make Unleashed better than a first-time playthrough could ever tell you.

The childish comedy never bothered me anyways.

(Side note: I hate Sonic Adventure 2, and have never played Sonic Adventure 1 as a result.)

This post has been edited by Roller: 01 January 2014 - 07:05 PM

[Laura]

I don't want to change, or believe I can change, people's personal opinions on Sonic Unleashed.

I do, however, believe that fans will admit the game has some rather serious flaws and will come to terms with it if they see it reasonably presented. I have tried, and hopefully succeeded, in presenting my argument in a respectful and honest manner. This has been lacking (among other things such as reasonable points) in every Sonic Unleashed professional review I have seen and read, which is why I have posted this.

I think it's important that the fanbase comes to terms with Unleashed's serious flaws, as many like to reason them off. This is very unique to Unleashed and I don't see it with fans of the other Sonic titles (perhaps with the exception of the Sonic 06 fans, because they have a hell of an argument to present).

As for why have I posted this on Retro, many guests and Sonic fans read these threads. It isn't just addressed the forum members here.

This post has been edited by Laura: 01 January 2014 - 07:04 PM

[Overlord]

Almost no-one likes Werehog. The story doesn't matter in the slightest, outside the opening cutscene which is still cool 5 years later.

People like Unleashed because it gave us the Day levels, which are the best that Sonic had played in years, hence why everyone was so happy about the Unleashed Project streamlining the game to just that.

I'm not sure really there's anything else to be said.

[GeneHF]

>I think it's important that the fanbase comes to terms with Unleashed's serious flaws

For the love of... this has been done for nearly SIX YEARS now. You've done NOTHING but sum up the last six years of criticism the game has gotten, in almost every facet of its discussion. Let the people enjoy their game since they clearly do knowing its flaws.

Like. Sonic. Adventure. 2!

Just because you like something doesn't mean you don't acknowledge flaws. People are more likely to talk about the good of things they like than the bad. That doesn't mean they don't acknowledge it. Six years, people have had the chance to point out every flaw the game has, but its lasting legacy on the series almost negates all of that.

If you still can't accept that and want to keep pushing some sort of agenda (you're totally trying to change opinion despite saying you're not. Don't even try to kid yourself), then I have nothing left to say to you.

[Mykonos]

I've written out like 5 replies and haven't been happy with any of them, but to add onto this:

Overlord, on 01 January 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

Almost no-one likes Werehog. The story doesn't matter in the slightest, outside the opening cutscene which is still cool 5 years later.

People like Unleashed because it gave us the Day levels, which are the best that Sonic had played in years, hence why everyone was so happy about the Unleashed Project streamlining the game to just that.

I'm not sure really there's anything else to be said.

Some Unleashed fans (like myself) also like the overall presentation of the game. There's just this atmosphere to it that I personally can't quite put my finger on. The visuals are great. The music is fantastic. The NPCs are characters you can actually slightly care about for a change. The story was genuinely enjoyable for the first time since SA2 or Heroes, depending on the individual. The tone in general was just admirable and there's this spirit the game had that none of the subsequent titles since then have had.

I haven't seen anyone trying to force these views on anyone, period. People who like Unleashed get that it's a polarizing game with flaws, I have not seen anyone say the game is exactly what Sonic needs to be.

EDIT: Also
"Let's end the Sonic Unleashed Love Affair."

At this point I read your entire post like a political speech and just got really confused about what you're trying to communicate here. You say it's fine to like the game, but we should end the "Love Affair"? I mean...what? This stuff's been pretty settled for like 5 years now.

This post has been edited by Mykonos: 01 January 2014 - 07:12 PM

[Skyler]

I like Sonic Adventure 2, yet on the Sonic Show I named it the #1 Sonic Game People Love That's Really Terrible. How could I do such a thing to a game I enjoy?

I like Sonic Unleashed, yet it had noticeable problems. How can I possibly enjoy such a game when it has all these problems (Problems that were fixed in Sonic Generations, making this argument silly in the first place)?

Liking something doesn't mean ignoring its flaws.

sage

[Yash]

Laura, on 01 January 2014 - 07:01 PM, said:

I don't want to change, or believe I can change, people's personal opinions on Sonic Unleashed.

I do, however, believe that fans will admit the game has some rather serious flaws and will come to terms with it if they see it reasonably presented. I have tried, and hopefully succeeded, in presenting my argument in a respectful and honest manner. This has been lacking (among other things such as reasonable points) in every Sonic Unleashed professional review I have seen and read, which is why I have posted this.

I think it's important that the fanbase comes to terms with Unleashed's serious flaws, as many like to reason them off. This is very unique to Unleashed and I don't see it with fans of the other Sonic titles (perhaps with the exception of the Sonic 06 fans, because they have a hell of an argument to present).

As for why have I posted this on Retro, many guests and Sonic fans read these threads. It isn't just addressed the forum members here.

Sonic Unleashed's heightened praises are probably a reaction to how mercilessly it was shit on by the gaming community. Look I can agree it's a flawed game but you had publications saying it was worse than Sonic 06, which is confounding to say the least.

Buried beneath the busywork of the Werehog and medal collecting is IMO the best representation of Sonic in 3D yet and it at least gets a gold star from me for that. Colors and Generations are much better overall packages but the exhilaration of the daytime stages is unmatched.

Incidentally I just picked up the PS3 version of Unleashed and I can't wait to play through it again. I did like the hub world missions for how they established a fun universe and sense of continuity that Sonic Adventure lacked and Sonic 06 clearly tried to have (but failed miserably).

[Supakitsune]

I still think unleashed should've been sonic and knuckles 2
also the wii/ps2 versions were pretty decent and got rid of a lot of the stupid stuff like medals being required for progress and uselessly huge hubworlds. not perfect but still better

[Guess Who]

STOP LIKING SONIC UNLEASHED IT'S STUPID AND BAD AND IF I JUST WRITE CERTAIN WORDS A CERTAIN WAY SURELY YOU WILL SEE THAT IT'S STUPID AND BAD AND STOP HAVING FUN WITH IT

p.s. the adventure games are far worse than unleashed could ever be