[XCubed]

Even with all this "new" information, this is far from over. The only concrete information we have is that Carnival Night samples "Jam" which is direct evidence that MJ was involved at some point AND we know the music was a collaborative effort at best because of Ice Cap essentially being an instrumental remix of "Hard Times."

[nesboy43]

XCubed, on 06 July 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

Even with all this "new" information, this is far from over. The only concrete information we have is that Carnival Night samples "Jam" which is direct evidence that MJ was involved at some point AND we know the music was a collaborative effort at best because of Ice Cap essentially being an instrumental remix of "Hard Times."

Cant forget about Stranger In Moscow in the game, 2 years before the actual song came out.

[Skyler]

Something small I noticed.

There was a re-release of "The Essential Michael Jackson" that included a third disc with only a handful of songs, among them being "Jam" and "Stranger in Moscow." Do you think that could be someone's way of acknowledging their connection to Sonic 3?

[Chibisteven]

Skyler, on 07 July 2014 - 01:44 AM, said:

Something small I noticed.

There was a re-release of "The Essential Michael Jackson" that included a third disc with only a handful of songs, among them being "Jam" and "Stranger in Moscow." Do you think that could be someone's way of acknowledging their connection to Sonic 3?

No. If it's the booklets saying something about it than yes. But in reality no and very difficult to prove at that. They could have just been popular songs.

A greatest hits compilation album means songs that sold a lot and could be a revised edition that includes songs that sold more because they probably just became hits with time. It happens more than you think. A Remastered edition and to include more popular songs, doesn't automatically mean acknowledgement of what you think. Record companies put these out sometimes without the input of the artist involved as the record company owns the original recording or master.

This post has been edited by Chibisteven: 07 July 2014 - 04:00 AM

[XCubed]

nesboy43, on 06 July 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

XCubed, on 06 July 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

Even with all this "new" information, this is far from over. The only concrete information we have is that Carnival Night samples "Jam" which is direct evidence that MJ was involved at some point AND we know the music was a collaborative effort at best because of Ice Cap essentially being an instrumental remix of "Hard Times."

Cant forget about Stranger In Moscow in the game, 2 years before the actual song came out.

Whoops! Yeah. It's so well known that I forgot about including it. So we have 2 solid songs. So how is it that Jackson nor his estate sued for the use of these? (or perhaps they did?). It would be hilarious that the S&K Collection was develpoed during secretive litigation. But then Sega won on being able to re-release Sonic 3 a limited number of times....also explaining why we haven't seen much of the game in prior releases outside of the Sonic Mega Collection and the lack of a remastered version like 1 & 2. Ok, I'll stop now.

This post has been edited by XCubed: 07 July 2014 - 11:09 AM

[nesboy43]

XCubed, on 07 July 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

nesboy43, on 06 July 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

XCubed, on 06 July 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

Even with all this "new" information, this is far from over. The only concrete information we have is that Carnival Night samples "Jam" which is direct evidence that MJ was involved at some point AND we know the music was a collaborative effort at best because of Ice Cap essentially being an instrumental remix of "Hard Times."

Cant forget about Stranger In Moscow in the game, 2 years before the actual song came out.

Whoops! Yeah. It's so well known that I forgot about including it. So we have 2 solid songs. So how is it that Jackson nor his estate sued for the use of these? (or perhaps they did?). It would be hilarious that the S&K Collection was develpoed during secretive litigation. But then Sega won on being able to re-release Sonic 3 a limited number of times....also explaining why we haven't seen much of the game in prior releases outside of the Sonic Mega Collection and the lack of a remastered version like 1 & 2. Ok, I'll stop now.

Well considering the fact that Brad Buxer was a musical arranger and sometimes a co-composer for Michael, along with Michael being a fan of the games, I think it is safe to say that he had no bitter feelings towards the game. If Tommy and Brad are to be believed than we can see that Michael only wanted his name removed at some point in development, not his music.

This post has been edited by nesboy43: 09 July 2014 - 03:08 AM

[Xilla]

XCubed, on 07 July 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

nesboy43, on 06 July 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

XCubed, on 06 July 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

Even with all this "new" information, this is far from over. The only concrete information we have is that Carnival Night samples "Jam" which is direct evidence that MJ was involved at some point AND we know the music was a collaborative effort at best because of Ice Cap essentially being an instrumental remix of "Hard Times."

Cant forget about Stranger In Moscow in the game, 2 years before the actual song came out.

Whoops! Yeah. It's so well known that I forgot about including it. So we have 2 solid songs. So how is it that Jackson nor his estate sued for the use of these? (or perhaps they did?). It would be hilarious that the S&K Collection was develpoed during secretive litigation. But then Sega won on being able to re-release Sonic 3 a limited number of times....also explaining why we haven't seen much of the game in prior releases outside of the Sonic Mega Collection and the lack of a remastered version like 1 & 2. Ok, I'll stop now.

Just throwing a wild guess in the dark but I reckon the contract that MJ's musicians signed didn't cover for rereleases on future systems (hence why those tracks were changed in S8KPC). Then when MJ's involvement came to light, they realised Sega did just that and began legal action for unpaid royalties. Chances are I'm completely wrong though! It's all conjecture on my part here.

This post has been edited by Xilla: 09 July 2014 - 06:15 PM

[Xilla]

Apologies if this has been posted before, but I was reading a PDF of the September 93 issue of Sega Power and noticed this:

[Qjimbo]

Xilla, on 24 August 2014 - 01:26 AM, said:

Apologies if this has been posted before, but I was reading a PDF of the September 93 issue of Sega Power and noticed this:

Nice find - I've certainly never seen this article before.

[XCubed]

Xilla, on 09 July 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

XCubed, on 07 July 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

nesboy43, on 06 July 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

XCubed, on 06 July 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

Even with all this "new" information, this is far from over. The only concrete information we have is that Carnival Night samples "Jam" which is direct evidence that MJ was involved at some point AND we know the music was a collaborative effort at best because of Ice Cap essentially being an instrumental remix of "Hard Times."

Cant forget about Stranger In Moscow in the game, 2 years before the actual song came out.

Whoops! Yeah. It's so well known that I forgot about including it. So we have 2 solid songs. So how is it that Jackson nor his estate sued for the use of these? (or perhaps they did?). It would be hilarious that the S&K Collection was develpoed during secretive litigation. But then Sega won on being able to re-release Sonic 3 a limited number of times....also explaining why we haven't seen much of the game in prior releases outside of the Sonic Mega Collection and the lack of a remastered version like 1 & 2. Ok, I'll stop now.

Just throwing a wild guess in the dark but I reckon the contract that MJ's musicians signed didn't cover for rereleases on future systems (hence why those tracks were changed in S8KPC). Then when MJ's involvement came to light, they realised Sega did just that and began legal action for unpaid royalties. Chances are I'm completely wrong though! It's all conjecture on my part here.

But rereleases have happened...

[Master Emerald]

XCubed, on 24 August 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

Xilla, on 09 July 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

XCubed, on 07 July 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

nesboy43, on 06 July 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

XCubed, on 06 July 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

Even with all this "new" information, this is far from over. The only concrete information we have is that Carnival Night samples "Jam" which is direct evidence that MJ was involved at some point AND we know the music was a collaborative effort at best because of Ice Cap essentially being an instrumental remix of "Hard Times."

Cant forget about Stranger In Moscow in the game, 2 years before the actual song came out.

Whoops! Yeah. It's so well known that I forgot about including it. So we have 2 solid songs. So how is it that Jackson nor his estate sued for the use of these? (or perhaps they did?). It would be hilarious that the S&K Collection was develpoed during secretive litigation. But then Sega won on being able to re-release Sonic 3 a limited number of times....also explaining why we haven't seen much of the game in prior releases outside of the Sonic Mega Collection and the lack of a remastered version like 1 & 2. Ok, I'll stop now.

Just throwing a wild guess in the dark but I reckon the contract that MJ's musicians signed didn't cover for rereleases on future systems (hence why those tracks were changed in S8KPC). Then when MJ's involvement came to light, they realised Sega did just that and began legal action for unpaid royalties. Chances are I'm completely wrong though! It's all conjecture on my part here.

But rereleases have happened...

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Then when MJ's involvement came to light, they realised Sega did just that and began legal action for unpaid royalties.

[nesboy43]

Xilla, on 24 August 2014 - 01:26 AM, said:

Apologies if this has been posted before, but I was reading a PDF of the September 93 issue of Sega Power and noticed this:

Interesting, first I've ever heard of Scrambler Training being a Sega CD title.

[XCubed]

Master Emerald, on 24 August 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

XCubed, on 24 August 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

Xilla, on 09 July 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

XCubed, on 07 July 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

nesboy43, on 06 July 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

XCubed, on 06 July 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

Even with all this "new" information, this is far from over. The only concrete information we have is that Carnival Night samples "Jam" which is direct evidence that MJ was involved at some point AND we know the music was a collaborative effort at best because of Ice Cap essentially being an instrumental remix of "Hard Times."

Cant forget about Stranger In Moscow in the game, 2 years before the actual song came out.

Whoops! Yeah. It's so well known that I forgot about including it. So we have 2 solid songs. So how is it that Jackson nor his estate sued for the use of these? (or perhaps they did?). It would be hilarious that the S&K Collection was develpoed during secretive litigation. But then Sega won on being able to re-release Sonic 3 a limited number of times....also explaining why we haven't seen much of the game in prior releases outside of the Sonic Mega Collection and the lack of a remastered version like 1 & 2. Ok, I'll stop now.

Just throwing a wild guess in the dark but I reckon the contract that MJ's musicians signed didn't cover for rereleases on future systems (hence why those tracks were changed in S8KPC). Then when MJ's involvement came to light, they realised Sega did just that and began legal action for unpaid royalties. Chances are I'm completely wrong though! It's all conjecture on my part here.

But rereleases have happened...

Quote

Then when MJ's involvement came to light, they realised Sega did just that and began legal action for unpaid royalties.

I guess the royalties were so cheap it didn't matter after the S&K collection.