[Master Emerald]

I asked Jun a question on facebook and he was very kind to answer (I made it a suggestion, not a question so it doesn't feel I'm making pressure about it or something):


Me: Jun, please, when you have time add to your homepage FAQ what were the songs you worked on Sonic 3/Knuckles and Sonic 3D blast!

None of them are credited to you and it would be nice to know


Jun: I can not do that because the company doesn't allow us to do. Not only Sonic related games, I can't specify the songs what I worked on at that era.


Me: I imagined so, every person who worket to Sega on that period tells about how messy is the copyright involving the songs themselves.

Thanks for the response, though! And keep sending good messages through your songs to every corner of the world

This post has been edited by Master Emerald: 07 August 2013 - 12:02 PM

[Dark Sonic]

Master Emerald, on 06 August 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

I asked Jun a question on facebook and he was very kind to answer (I made it a suggestion, not a question so it doesn't feel I'm making pressure about it or something):


Me: Jun, please, when you have time add to your homepage FAQ what were the songs you worked on Sonic 3/Knuckles and Sonic 3D blast!

None of them are credited to you and it would be nice to know />


Jun: I can not do that because the company doesn't allow us to do. Not only Sonic related games, I can't specify the songs what I worked on at that era.


Me: I imagined so, every person who worket to Sega on that period tells about how messy is the copyright involving the songs themselves.

Thanks for the response, though! And keep sending good messages through your songs to every corner of the world />

That doesn't make any sense. I understand why he can't go around saying what songs other people worked on, but he can't say what HE worked on? He can now a days quite freely, but why not 1994.

[GeneHF]

You'll also notice that only a small percentage of tracks from Sonic 3 are only ever recycled these days. And some of them only in a MIDI form.

[Dark Sonic]

GeneHF, on 09 August 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

You'll also notice that only a small percentage of tracks from Sonic 3 are only ever recycled these days. And some of them only in a MIDI form.

Ya I guess that explains the random remixes in Generations (And only the first 3 Sonic 3 levels).

I wonder if this is what makes Sega so hesitant to ever rerelease Sonic 3 and Knuckles

[Spanner]

Whilst it's a mess to deal with anything related to Sonic 3 & Knuckles, the other game you mentioned is not and you can find out who did what, no asking required.

The music tracks were credited in Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island, it's on the wiki.

[GeneHF]

Yep. Like I said before, 3D Blast handily gave all the tracks tags within the game's code. Everything else is a crap shoot up until SEGA deems it appropriate to release that info themselves.

Mind you, they'd have to address the elephant in the room about that time, even if it's already somewhat well known. What better time than next year for S3K's 20th Anniversary?

(You all feel really old now.)

[Master Emerald]

I just put Sonic 3D in there so as not to sound OH DO YOU REMEMBER MJ IN SONIC 3, JUN?

[XCubed]

GeneHF, on 09 August 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

You'll also notice that only a small percentage of tracks from Sonic 3 are only ever recycled these days. And some of them only in a MIDI form.

20 years later and it's still a fucking scandal. People who worked on it can't even talk about what THEY worked on. This means something happened that wasn't supposed to. I know that they are covering up the fact that their claim of NOT using any of MJ's ideas or songs is a blatant lie......we've had proof of this for years now.

Sorry, we don't sweep things under the rug here.

[Rika Chou]

Kind of makes me wonder, if Taxman and Stealth ever get to port S3K if they will have to change some tracks? Kinda like the removal of Sonic CD's lyrics.

This post has been edited by Rika Chou: 09 August 2013 - 10:30 PM

[GeneHF]

They could just use Tiddles' Sonic 3 Complete which has Mega Drive versions of the PC themes.

[OKei]

XCubed, on 09 August 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

20 years later and it's still a fucking scandal. People who worked on it can't even talk about what THEY worked on. This means something happened that wasn't supposed to. I know that they are covering up the fact that their claim of NOT using any of MJ's ideas or songs is a blatant lie......we've had proof of this for years now.

Sorry, we don't sweep things under the rug here.

For any website dedicated to documenting and uncovering truths about video games, those are words to live by.

And I remember reading an old thread about a Retro user who interviewed Bobby Brooks (and a few other composers) about their work in Sonic 3. What was fascinating was that Mr. Brooks or someone revealed that they were in the process of filing a lawsuit against Sega for whatever exact reasons. What DID come out of that? Has anything come out of that at all?

[Ashram]

OKei, on 10 August 2013 - 12:51 AM, said:

XCubed, on 09 August 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

20 years later and it's still a fucking scandal. People who worked on it can't even talk about what THEY worked on. This means something happened that wasn't supposed to. I know that they are covering up the fact that their claim of NOT using any of MJ's ideas or songs is a blatant lie......we've had proof of this for years now.

Sorry, we don't sweep things under the rug here.

For any website dedicated to documenting and uncovering truths about video games, those are words to live by.

And I remember reading an old thread about a Retro user who interviewed Bobby Brooks (and a few other composers) about their work in Sonic 3. What was fascinating was that Mr. Brooks or someone revealed that they were in the process of filing a lawsuit against Sega for whatever exact reasons. What DID come out of that? Has anything come out of that at all?

http://forums.sonicr...ndpost&p=661575

[Afro Thunder]

I could be wrong here, but SEGA staying mum on the whole MJ/S3 thing (despite it being made public almost a whole ten years ago) may be due to them not wanting to possibly incur the legal wrath of MJ's estate. With the exception of Bruce Swedien (MJ's longtime audio engineer, and was also present at LA's Record One Studios, where MJ and co. apparently came up with their ideas.) and maybe Teddy Riley (MJ's main producer from '91-'97, and his "New Jack Swing" style is very evident in all of the MJ tracks) nobody outside of the music team knows that MJ did work on Sonic 3. I don't think even the estate knows about it.

I'm not a legal expert, but a possible statue of limitations could still be in effect, hence their reluctance to say anything about what went down between 1993-1994 with MJ.

[Sir_mihael]

GeneHF, on 10 August 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

They could just use Tiddles' Sonic 3 Complete which has Mega Drive versions of the PC themes. />

As someone who had a strange love for the replacement PC music, I could definitely approve of this.

Imagining a world where someday, you could play a Taxman-made widescreen version of Sonic 3 & Knuckles, with a 'Taxman Sonic CD-esque' choice between the original MD tracks, and the re-done PC tracks.

Heh. One can dream.