[TheKazeblade]

Is there anything in the franchise that is just a pet-peeve to you? Not major things like gameplay, design, or things like that, but just specific instances within the games that stand out as wrong. Just nitpicks that don't ruin the game for you, but you can't help but notice.

For me, it's always driven me crazy that Sonic Team seems to have forgotten Metal Sonic has a jet-engine built into his chest. They seem to have him utilize it as a regular old jetpack without the turbine on his front rotoating, which is always what I thought it was. I loved how you saw it, at least from the back, starting up and spinning in the OVA, as opposed to the games in which it is static. I think actually depicting it as a jet engine would make him feel much more dangerous of a character.

Also, in Sonic Generations when Sonic doesn't recognize the locations he visited as Classic Sonic. It's always "that place seemed awful familiar!" and "Deja vu, it's like I've been here before, but I can't put my finger on it." It bugged me, because it felt like Sonic Team were kind of holding it in fans faces saying "see? the Classics weren't that special, Sonic barely remembers them!" When Sonic Generations was just announced, one of the things I was looking forward to the most was seeing Sonic geek out over seeing all these places again, but instead he brushed them off like it was no big deal.
In a way, that reaction kinda broke my heart. It's like when you remember a really good time with your friend, and it's your defining memory of your friendship, but when you bring it up, they act non-chalant about it and are all like "Oh yea, I guess that happened."

[Dark Sonic]

TheKazeblade, on 28 October 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

Also, in Sonic Generations when Sonic doesn't recognize the locations he visited as Classic Sonic. It's always "that place seemed awful familiar!" and "Deja vu, it's like I've been here before, but I can't put my finger on it." It bugged me, because it felt like Sonic Team were kind of holding it in fans faces saying "see? the Classics weren't that special, Sonic barely remembers them!" When Sonic Generations was just announced, one of the things I was looking forward to the most was seeing Sonic geek out over seeing all these places again, but instead he brushed them off like it was no big deal.
In a way, that reaction kinda broke my heart. It's like when you remember a really good time with your friend, and it's your defining memory of your friendship, but when you bring it up, they act non-chalant about it and are all like "Oh yea, I guess that happened."

Well, to be fair, given that Sonic has an incredibly fucked up timeline we can assume that he was last there 20 years ago our time (Which may very well be different in his timeline given that he's only 16 and we have no idea Classic Sonic's age in that game). Also he's been to lots of places in 20 years. He might have some foggy memories or he might think of it as it was somewhere else. Also some characters remember better then others, for example Knuckles remembers Sky Sanctuary because it's from his island... and somehow Blaze remembers Crisis City. Also, Tails doesn't remember Green Hill but he remembers Chemical Plant (Also these places might not be associated by name in Sonic's world, so how would they remember "Oh yea it's chemical plant zone." It might just be "Oh hey it's that factory place with the water.")

Little details that bug me though? Sonic 4's Metal Sonic. It's unknown exactly how much time has passed between Sonic 3 and Sonic 4, so it's not entirely out of the question that Sonic, Tails, and Eggman have all grown up and thus look like their modern selves. But Metal Sonic has been scrapped on a planet for however many years, and he's a robot... Robot's don't age. Now, if Metal Sonic flew back in classic form and was then upgraded to his modern self, that'd make sense. But unless Sonic CD took place in the modern era, which it didn't, there is no good reason why Metal Sonic should look modern at the start of episode Metal.

[The KKM]

Dark Sonic, on 28 October 2012 - 05:17 AM, said:

Little details that bug me though? Sonic 4's Metal Sonic. It's unknown exactly how much time has passed between Sonic 3 and Sonic 4, so it's not entirely out of the question that Sonic, Tails, and Eggman have all grown up and thus look like their modern selves. But Metal Sonic has been scrapped on a planet for however many years, and he's a robot... Robot's don't age. Now, if Metal Sonic flew back in classic form and was then upgraded to his modern self, that'd make sense. But unless Sonic CD took place in the modern era, which it didn't, there is no good reason why Metal Sonic should look modern at the start of episode Metal.

*twitch*

that'sbecausethechangefromclassictomodernisjustanalterationinartstyleandnotthecharactersgrowingup GODDAMN IT HOW MANY TIMES WILL WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IT HERE ON RETRO

It's just a change in art style. Classic Sonic doesn't become taller with green eyes. It's comparable to Mickey's white-face or the design of Zero in Mega Man Zero. The reason both designs appeared in Generations was for a joke and fanservice. The Reason Metal looks different in Sonic 4 is because the art style is different THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT

EDIT: YEAH, that's the little detail that bugs me. It's more on the fandom than on the games, sure, but people who can't take medium awareness at all and try to get some internal logic to changes in art style.

This post has been edited by The KKM: 28 October 2012 - 06:19 AM

[DTX]

Not being able to beat Dr. Robotnik in HPZ in S[3]&K, no matter how many times you hit him, before he electrocutes Knuckles and flies off with the Master Emerald. I always wanted to prevent that to see if I could find some sort of secret ending or extra boss, or have Knuckles follow me about for the rest of the game, with him not being exhausted from being shocked since I would have prevented that.

In the same game, never being given a chance to confront Sonic in a cutscene or battle while playing as Knuckles.

Also, at the beginning of AIZ, while playing as Sonic, not being able to avoid getting all the chaos emeralds knocked out of me by Knuckles, even though I'm super fast and (supposedly) invulnerable.

[Caniad Bach]

What ticks me off is that they never use art any more for promotional materials, be it box art, magazine adverts, whatever. It's all this cheap looking CG stuff. This is a complaint that applies in general, not just to Sonic games.

[Dark Sonic]

^That I agree with entirely. I miss the days of Sonic 3 Japan boxart.

The KKM, on 28 October 2012 - 06:13 AM, said:

EDIT: YEAH, that's the little detail that bugs me. It's more on the fandom than on the games, sure, but people who can't take medium awareness at all and try to get some internal logic to changes in art style.

Calm down now sir, I understand art styles and what not (I never said WTFWhyisn'tclassicsonicandtailsinepisode2butnotinepisode1orblahblahgreeneyes). It was just that one, minor little tidbit. Plus, it would have been cool to see Metal Sonic being upgraded to his modern style anyway. It would have shown some difference and made him appear to be more upgraded, rather then just "sup, I'm glowing now"

This post has been edited by Dark Sonic: 28 October 2012 - 06:49 AM

[Ell678]

DTX, on 28 October 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

Not being able to beat Dr. Robotnik in HPZ in S[3]&K, no matter how many times you hit him, before he electrocutes Knuckles and flies off with the Master Emerald. I always wanted to prevent that to see if I could find some sort of secret ending or extra boss, or have Knuckles follow me about for the rest of the game, with him not being exhausted from being shocked since I would have prevented that.

You can. You just have to hit him 255 times and you get your stalemate

Spoiler

Fun starts at 4:40 onwards.

[Metalsonicmk72]

It's always bothered me when the franchise introduced characters that think Sonic doesn't deserve to be called the "fastest thing alive." Their reason? Because they can use a vehicle. I'm referring to Jet the Hawk and his air board and Johnny (Sonic Rush Adventure) and his Water Bike. Okay, so you can use your vehicle to be fast, but how fast are you on foot? We've never seen Jet on foot in a non-Riders game, so chances are he's probably not all that fast. Johnny (or "Metal Jet" as I call him) is a robot like Metal Sonic so maybe he might have an excuse as seen in his boss battle alongside Captain Whiskers, but still, thinking your faster than Sonic because you might be a better user of a jet-ski on water? Better make sure he never meets Sonic in Unleashed or Generations with the Endless Boost.

This post has been edited by Metalsonicmk72: 28 October 2012 - 12:52 PM

[JaredAFX]

The moon. Considering SA2 had such a big, ambitious story, it's just strange not to see this huge plot point in later games. Where it upsets me the most, however, is in Shadow: the game is practically a sequel to SA2's story. Does anyone not agree? It explains how Shadow was created and why Gerald Robotnik REALLY created ARK.

[LordOfSquad]

What's bugged me is characters with monoeye. One big eye with two pupils. This has always bugged me no matter where it's used, Sonic or otherwise.

[The Growler]

Metalsonicmk72, on 28 October 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

It's always bothered me when the franchise introduced characters that think Sonic doesn't deserve to be called the "fastest thing alive." Their reason? Because they can use a vehicle. I'm referring to Jet the Hawk and his air board and Johnny (Sonic Rush Adventure) and his Water Bike. Okay, so you can use your vehicle to be fast, but how fast are you on foot? We've never seen Jet on foot in a non-Riders game, so chances are he's probably not all that fast. Johnny (or "Metal Jet" as I call him) is a robot like Metal Sonic so maybe he might have an excuse as seen in his boss battle alongside Captain Whiskers, but still, thinking your faster than Sonic because you might be a better user of a jet-ski on water? Better make sure he never meets Sonic in Unleashed or Generations with the Endless Boost.

Lol, continuing on with this is the obvious fact that those characters are ignoring is the "alive" bit. Sure, "alive" possibly meaning "can you go faster than me [as a living creature] on this machine", but of course - as you said - that's just nonsense.

Then of course there's Shadow. I remember a time we argued to death about whether Shadow is faster than Sonic because of his shoes or not, and all that lot.
Ah, the classic Shadow vs. Sonic arguments we had.


I know it's just a game and everything, and 'time' in a game world means absolutely zilch, but I've often wondered what Sonic's been doing while Eggman countless times has managed to build up such massive forces to use against him - like from the beginning with the Death Egg, all the way up to Unleashed with that huge army that seemingly had suddenly appeared from no-where (of course one could argue he built it all using robots in space, but that begs the question of how Sonic got up there in the first place when Eggman's army was already built and functional)!

I mean, does Sonic allow him to build these things so he can just trash them all again?

This post has been edited by The Growler: 28 October 2012 - 01:29 PM

[Dark Sonic]

The Growler, on 28 October 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

I know it's just a game and everything, and 'time' in a game world means absolutely zilch, but I've often wondered what Sonic's been doing while Eggman countless times has managed to build up such massive forces to use against him - like from the beginning with the Death Egg, all the way up to Unleashed with that huge army that seemingly had suddenly appeared from no-where (of course one could argue he built it all using robots in space, but that begs the question of how Sonic got up there in the first place when Eggman's army was already built and functional)!

I mean, does Sonic allow him to build these things so he can just trash them all again?

Well, at least from how the comics interpreted it, Sonic gets very bored when he has nothing do do (This was shown wayyy back when when SatAM Robotnik was killed off). So probably yes. He could very easily have Eggman hauled off to jail or killed each time, but for some reason he just lets him go. Same goes for like every character where the enemy never dies though.

Where the hell does Eggman get all the resources to make these devices anyways? Ya I know that he uses Chaos Emeralds to power them, but by now I feel like he's used up all the metal over the entire planet about 7 times over.

[GT Koopa]

LordOfSquad, on 28 October 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

What's bugged me is characters with monoeye. One big eye with two pupils. This has always bugged me no matter where it's used, Sonic or otherwise.

My headcanon is that it is two giant eyes touching each other, with a small enough to be invisible gap between the two. But there is one theory out there to the design that is gaining steam.



Oh man! Those stupid people at DiC! Don't they know that the entire white part is his eyes? Well...


Looks like they were on to something. The white part is really white fur, and he has small beady eyes.

Of course in the original games and modern games the white parts are indeed part of his giant alien eyes. But still, something to think about, eh?

[Ell678]

That just blew my mind. I had literally never thought of AOSTH's Sonic like that.

[Mercury]

GT Koopa, on 28 October 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

The OVA does this, too.