[Meat Miracle]

Madroms also has a lot of them up with complete descriptions and timetables. I believe they are there up to mid-95 or so. They are niconico reuploads with permission, however he does own the tapes too.

[Black Squirrel]

So I've started my own sift-through of this

http://segaretro.org..._Video_Magazine
(please fix inaccuracies)

I've only done four pages so far and have already encountered three different builds of Sonic CD, among obvious prototypes for Shining Force II, Madou Monogatari I and Dyna Brothers 2 (although it's all mostly prototype footage). Also lots of coverage of the Game Gear RPG "Youhouden Hisuimaru: Bonten no Ken" which was never released.

This is a big haul - I'm surprised it was sat on for so long

[Kiddo Cabbusses]

Black Squirrel, on 09 October 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

This is a big haul - I'm surprised it was sat on for so long

It's unfortunately merely because there aren't many people who can dig this deeply into NicoNico (And then whom would rip said videos. And then would upload them WITHOUT a watermark, I'm looking at you AssemblerGames). I've taken similar kinds of videos and uploaded them to my YouTube Channel if you want to look. There's loads of old Famicom promotional videos, looks inside game studios, stuff that in retrospect is obvious prototype footage (Transformers: Convoy no Nazo is particular hilarious about it, because the player has invincibility to hide the bullshit game deaths.) and... well, crap, it's a goldmine! And stuff is still be put up on NicoNico which looks interesting to this date. I just linked the PCEngineFX forums to the "Brut Press" video magazine vids, where it shows that NEC planned an add-on to the PC-FX to... make it a fax machine. o.o

There's unfortunately some signs of videos that used to be on NicoNico but are now gone - I missed some Satellaview game play archives, in particular, and the Hudson Caravan 10th Anniversary Video is no longer there, although I saved that one. Another one I ended up missing is a rip of the "Mario no Daibouken" VHS, where a guy in a goofy plastic Mario suit tells you all the game's wacky glitches.

This post has been edited by Kiddo Cabbusses: 09 October 2013 - 11:33 AM

[Black Squirrel]

Speaking of fax machines apparently there was a "Sega Fax Club" in Japan... where you'd be... faxed things


It's not so much the NicoNico thing that saddens me, it's just I remember the days where SWS2B would obsess over three or four second clips of Sonic 2 in the hopes of seeing that walking animation. I know for a fact hoarders could have spilt the beans on this years ago, but we're kept in the dark for no reason at all

Some of this undocumented Sega stuff is insane but the Nintendo stuff... christ. I haven't even been looking and I probably have a wiki's worth of Nintendo material (although it's the awkward sort of Nintendo material - mostly famiclones and third-party controllers). Too bad there's not really a competent "Nintendo Retro".

[Kiddo Cabbusses]

Black Squirrel, on 09 October 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

Some of this undocumented Sega stuff is insane but the Nintendo stuff... christ. I haven't even been looking and I probably have a wiki's worth of Nintendo material (although it's the awkward sort of Nintendo material - mostly famiclones and third-party controllers). Too bad there's not really a competent "Nintendo Retro".

Well, there's Bulbapedia and Mario Wiki and the like, but basically the deal with Nintendo is that each franchise's fans are more fragmented from each other, whereas with Sega you'd be hard-pressed to find a Sega fan in the US or Europe who doesn't like Sonic (in some form) regardless of how well he knows of or likes the other games (The double-edged sword side of this being that there are Sonic fans that care for nothing else Sega-wise). Also, the general "NES Retrogamer" can't seem to think outside their own region and cares more for dollar values than data preservtion, if NintendoAge is anything to go by. It also doesn't help that unlike Sega, Nintendo is very good at keeping it's shit under wraps and secret.

As for being "kept in the dark"... well, it's a bunch of Japan-only VHS tapes. Did you really expect to be digging up Japanese VHSes for Sega prototype videos years ago? I sure didn't, although perhaps in retrospect I shouldn't have been as surprised.

This post has been edited by Kiddo Cabbusses: 09 October 2013 - 01:34 PM

[Black Squirrel]

To be fair people were digging up Spanish VHSes and French magazines and whatever

[Meat Miracle]

Black Squirrel, on 09 October 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

So I've started my own sift-through of this

http://segaretro.org..._Video_Magazine
(please fix inaccuracies)

I've only done four pages so far and have already encountered three different builds of Sonic CD, among obvious prototypes for Shining Force II, Madou Monogatari I and Dyna Brothers 2 (although it's all mostly prototype footage). Also lots of coverage of the Game Gear RPG "Youhouden Hisuimaru: Bonten no Ken" which was never released.

This is a big haul - I'm surprised it was sat on for so long

Like I said, contact Madroms. He already has most of the videos broken down publically. Although I imagine he might be reluctant about helping you guys, seeing as you stole his pics without credit before.

[Black Squirrel]

Madroms only goes up to January 1995 (I make it 16/60), and it's good to double check things. Also I'm genuinely interested in some of it so I don't mind a sift-through

(p.s. the Chaotix footage in this one is notable).

[Black Squirrel]

Mr. Kiddo (who I didn't realise actually owned that channel until after I posted it)

There doesn't seem to be many videos for 1997 - is that because the set is incomplete or did Sega stop producing them for a bit?



Also as a running commentary for anyone who cares - currently at April 1996 and it's all got a bit depressing. Nothing spectacular unless you know what you're looking for, unlike the early days where you could plainly see broken things and mess.

But hey, "TwinBee Taisen Pazurudama" (or whatever it's called). Unreleased game most people would overlook - got a PlayStation release

[Kiddo Cabbusses]

I'm not entirely sure. While 1997 doesn't have many magazines up, it also seems to be the only one up wtih a "New Year's Catalog" Video.



Also, other Saturn previews:
blah
bleh
blih
bluh
bloh (Some of it)

Brut Press stuff also has some Saturn but I haven't put it up yet.

[Black Squirrel]

So I've been through all of them now (bar that New Year's one - I'll get to that later today) - my current theory is that yes, there were probably more videos in 1997 that haven't preserved. It doesn't make much sense to skip on 1997 (which was a big-ish year for the Saturn in Japan) and prioritise 1998 (where videos are almost half the size due to a lack of content) - finding proof will be a nightmare because photographic evidence that any of these VHS cassettes exist is difficult, but yeah, it's weird to have a gap like that.

On the plus side I guess

this was set to be released on the Saturn... but was cancelled. Project X2 aka X2: No Relief - it's the last Team 17/Ocean Software collaboration, the duo which brought you Worms.

[Kiddo Cabbusses]

Black Squirrel, on 14 October 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:

finding proof will be a nightmare because photographic evidence that any of these VHS cassettes exist is difficult, but yeah, it's weird to have a gap like that.

If all else fails, I can perpetually search Yahoo Japan Auctions for items... XP

[Black Squirrel]

Sega Saturn Otoshidama Catalog Video‎

It's similar to Sega Video Magazine... but games are cycled through at a much faster pace and not much time is spent talking about their contents, so I'm inclined to treat it as something else. Blah, blih and bloh probably fall outside the scope of Sega Retro but bleh and bluh are more meaningful - just got to find out exactly what they are before I commit to making pages

Yahoo Japan doesn't have much (or it didn't when I checked last week) - seems these things were rare in Japan too

This post has been edited by Black Squirrel: 14 October 2013 - 12:45 PM