[E-122-Psi]

I never really took to Spaz's work. I mean the detail is certainly commendable, but a detailed drawing isn't always a good drawing. A lot of his work is hard to look at due to how damn cluttered the whole thing is.

Not to mention his occasional off model tendencies and fondness for strange poses (he was one of the first that insisted drawing all the females humanoid).

Richard Elson of STC was similar. They seemed like artists who could work great for a different franchise, but looked odd trying to work with a cartoony franchise like Sonic.

This post has been edited by E-122-Psi: 18 March 2015 - 07:29 PM

[TheKazeblade]

Tylinos, on 18 March 2015 - 07:13 PM, said:

Actually, looking at those scans, I just noticed: "I'd feel better running!" Shows just how early on they did this issue. The line was like that back in the Sonic Adventure 2: The Trial demo.

Yeah, I remember in an issue of Sonic-Grams, it was mentioned that at the time no one at the office had played anything of SA2 "Except for Spaz, who may have played the demo" or something to that effect. So The Trial would have been the only thing they would have to go on.

[Tylinos]

And, unfortunately, Shard's been in-not-quite-so-many-words "confirmed" as being gone, due to his vague, tangential link to Penders concepts.

https://twitter.com/...376193486659584



In lighter news, though, Aleah Baker (Writer of Spark of Life, and Ian's wife) posted the first set of answers to her still-ongoing Q&A session on Bumbleking.

http://bumbleking.co...=423146#p423146
http://bumbleking.co...=423147#p423147

Some highlights include info on the unused redesigns for Hershey and Saffron, some info on Liza the Chameleon's history post-deroboticization, a tiny bit more info on Phage (that she wants to help Eggman but he doesn't want her help), some stuff about how she tends to work on designing things, and a little info on Spark of Life's production.

If you have something you want to ask, hop in now while you have a chance.

This post has been edited by Tylinos: 21 March 2015 - 09:41 PM

[Lanzer]

Tylinos, on 21 March 2015 - 09:39 PM, said:

And, unfortunately, Shard's been in-not-quite-so-many-words "confirmed" as being gone, due to his vague, tangential link to Penders concepts.

https://twitter.com/...376193486659584

Thats fucked, thats really fucked y'know?

That was 1 character I was hoping that it avoided the bullshit ban due to its lore as a metal sonic, but no thanks to that stupid gem a whole character has to be cut instead of worked around.

That just really burns me, I waited months to hear an answer about this character. just wish he said no from the start instead of all this dickpulling for months on end.

[Cyberguy]

Tylinos, on 21 March 2015 - 09:39 PM, said:

And, unfortunately, Shard's been in-not-quite-so-many-words "confirmed" as being gone, due to his vague, tangential link to Penders concepts.

https://twitter.com/...376193486659584

I don't think I've ever wanted to strangle Penders more.

[TheKazeblade]

That makes me so freaking mad, especially with the sort-of cliffhanger ending of his last appearance.

[Dark Sonic]

Penders you fat neck bearded fuck. Way to ruin it for everyone.

Have fun playing with your knuckleses (Id call em recolors but they're all still red)

[Xeal]

So he's the reason due to Shard hasn't even been mentioned in the slightest. Like Dark Sonic said, have fun with your monotonous shit you dare call any format of art.

[BlackHole]

Don't suppose he could replace Shard with a similar Metal Sonic turned good guy concept, since that was from Flynn and not Penderrr?

(By which I mean the concept of him joining the Freedom Fighters, not the whole sacrificing himself in a volcano to keep Sonic alive though even then that was more Sonic the Hedgehog the Movie than Penderrr)

Like, instead of the Mecha Sonic changing personalities of its own volition, if we still go by the idea of 'Shard' being the Sonic 3 & Knuckles one, Uncle Chuck finds the pieces a la Gemerl, puts them back together and uploads a program that lets Mecha learn that's derived from Nicole? But don't make him Shard, just Mecha Sonic with a suspiciously similar personality.

Or would that still be too close for comfort for them?

This post has been edited by BlackHole: 22 March 2015 - 07:50 AM

[Dark Sonic]

BlackHole, on 22 March 2015 - 07:42 AM, said:

Don't suppose he could replace Shard with a similar Metal Sonic turned good guy concept, since that was from Flynn and not Penderrr?

(By which I mean the concept of him joining the Freedom Fighters, not the whole sacrificing himself in a volcano to keep Sonic alive though even then that was more Sonic the Hedgehog the Movie than Penderrr)

Like, instead of the Mecha Sonic changing personalities of its own volition, if we still go by the idea of 'Shard' being the Sonic 3 & Knuckles one, Uncle Chuck finds the pieces a la Gemerl, puts them back together and uploads a program that lets Mecha learn that's derived from Nicole? But don't make him Shard, just Mecha Sonic with a suspiciously similar personality.

Or would that still be too close for comfort for them?

That could potentially work, since it's Sonic 3 Mecha Sonic, not Penders'. Hell, sacrificing in the Volcano could even hark back to the OVA, not Penders.

So essentially there is nothing original about Penders' idea with Mecha Sonic, it was just a matter of circumstance that ruined fun for all

Although was it Penders that wrote the Mecha Sonic arc in the mid 80s issues or was that someone else. Fun fact, the Mecha Sonic volcano arc was the first arc I got through a subscription back in the day.

[Impish]

I think the inability of including Shard was revealed ages ago, when the reboot was new, because SEGA had mandated that there be only one Metal Sonic at any one time. "Captain Metal" is different enough thanks to the name change and outfit. But not all the deleted characters have to be Penders created; ALL comic only characters that weren't Flynn's, including ones made before Penders got on the book, like Geoffrey St John, or indeed Shard, whose original Metal Sonic was from a story by Bollers anyway (I believe). And this all comes from SEGA mandates, after being scared off by the Penders case.

[BlackHole]

Impish, on 22 March 2015 - 06:08 PM, said:

I think the inability of including Shard was revealed ages ago, when the reboot was new, because SEGA had mandated that there be only one Metal Sonic at any one time. "Captain Metal" is different enough thanks to the name change and outfit. But not all the deleted characters have to be Penders created; ALL comic only characters that weren't Flynn's, including ones made before Penders got on the book, like Geoffrey St John, or indeed Shard, whose original Metal Sonic was from a story by Bollers anyway (I believe). And this all comes from SEGA mandates, after being scared off by the Penders case.

Hence my suggestion of going around it by using Mecha Sonic: they've already used three of the four (six, if you count Rocket Metal from Fighters and Metal Sonic 3.0 from Rivals 2) Sonic Robots, both Silvers and Metal, which means it's only having two of the same robot that's banned and not using different ones.

Mecha Sonic is rather popular, due to both being the only Sonic Robot that uses a Super form and the obvious Super Mario Bros. Z amongst various other reasons, so it would make little sense to not use him at least once, hopefully in a Sonic 3 and Knuckles adaptation, but it means a 'Shard' might still be viable, though not Shard himself due to said copyright issues. Mecha even has a jewel in his chassis, which would make the 'transfer' smoother.

That's my honest opinion on the subject, that a Shard might still be viable if they want it, but I think it might not happen with Archie being jumpy about anything relating to the previous stories.

[Dr. Corndog]

Guess I'll just go reread the "Secret Freedom" arc. I didn't have much hope for Shard returning, but it's still a letdown when it's confirmed. I kind of wish it was solely Penders' fault, too, since then I'd have an easy target for my frustration.

[Tylinos]

Ian's put up his answers to the Late 2014 Ask Ian session over on Bumbleking:

http://bumbleking.co...239&f=4#p423239


A few highlights for those who don't have time to read the whole thing:

- The reason things were in such a murky state continuity-wise during Pirate Plunder Panic was because, as many figured, Blaze's world was "in the process of being chewed on by the Super Genesis Wave". However, he finally explained why it wasn't wiped out like most of the multiverse: The Jeweled Scepter.

- There was still a first Genesis Wave in the new timeline, just under different circumstances that Ian hopes to explain eventually.

- Please buy Mega Man if you want an X or Legends book. It needs more sales for that. If Mega Man sells enough, we can potentially get Legends off the moon. (At least in comic form)

- Pending approval, the events of Knuckles Chaotix did happen in the new continuity.

- Ian had enough warning on Worlds Unite compared to Worlds Collide that he was able to get things in both Sonic and Mega Man to good stop points just before it, which means it probably won't feel as much like an interruption as some people fear.

- There are apparently some very frustrating behind-the-scenes reasons preventing Ian from using Tiara and Gazebo. (From Xtreme)

- "I do not launch ships. I do not sink ships. I am not even on the coast."

- There was apparently significance to the Chao types in Waves of Change.

- "Oh, you'll be seeing lots of Silver pretty soon. And not all of it written by me…"

- Ian plans to get back to the Battle Bird Armada eventually.

- Most importantly, Sonic's Schoolhouse is not canon to the new continuity.

[Tiller]

Tylinos, on 22 March 2015 - 11:46 PM, said:

Ian's put up his answers to the Late 2014 Ask Ian session over on Bumbleking:

http://bumbleking.co...239&f=4#p423239

- Most importantly, Sonic's Schoolhouse is not canon to the new continuity.

Sonic R and Drift aren't canon either What a complete hack. Why is he on the comic again?