[The KKM]

Lanzer, on 04 March 2015 - 11:12 PM, said:

The KKM, on 04 March 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

Considering that Ian's ravaging one of the best stories Sonic Team did in the name of that "cohesive continuity", I'd rather they not take any cues from him, no. Keep the stories simple and using only two or three characters if that's all the story needs. Archie Amy is also pretty explicitly all built from materials in the games, where her personality is established in Adventure, Battle, even (ugh) 06.

It's easy to say Archie writes better if all I'm doing with the games is going LALALALALA I WON'T PAY ATTENTION

Please stop, I saw 5 pages of this at SSMB I don't need to see this here. we get your point, we don't agree with it but we get it.

Can't I reply the same way to you? "Please Stop, I've seen an entire thread at SSMB of fellating Ian and don't have to go through the same thing here"?

I mean good God. It's not even that I hate Ian or the comics. But nowadays they're treated as the perfect holy grail. I mean, look at Kazeblade over there. Ian is literally the best writer the franchise ever had? Please.

And yes, Adamis, this is my opinion. I'll paraphrase Jasonchrist from memory- "of course it's my fucking opinion what else am I supposed to give"

The point is, sorry, but I'm not gonna take "oh he can write the games' stories so much better he should be writing the games!" when he keeps infusing the comic with unneeded drama, removing the character moments from SEGASonic characters (hey remember how everyone complains SEGA doesn't let Sonic have more emotional moments? Thank god we're going to have the story about him connecting and showing the world to chip! Wait never mind he's giving all the character moments to Knuckles instead), refusing to write the SEGA characters as they'd act because it'd contradict the SatAM elements, having had to been forced to add a bit of whimsy and lightheartedness back otherwise we'd still be mired in political drama, and just overall making a fun children's comic that in no way is indication of how the games should be written at all, judging by both how he treats the games' material and the material he creates himself.

He's good. He's no Jesus Christ. (Or Kitching).

EDIT: That said I've replied to Pete and you guys already, so long as people don't keep going "SHUT UP YOU CAN'T TALK" I'll let things go, this thread is generally more chill anyways

This post has been edited by The KKM: 07 March 2015 - 12:27 PM

[Dark Sonic]

The KKM, on 07 March 2015 - 12:17 PM, said:

The point is, sorry, but I'm not gonna take "oh he can write the games' stories so much better he should be writing the games!" when he keeps infusing the comic with unneeded drama, removing the character moments from SEGASonic characters (hey remember how everyone complains SEGA doesn't let Sonic have more emotional moments? Thank god we're going to have the story about him connecting and showing the world to chip! Wait never mind he's giving all the character moments to Knuckles instead), refusing to write the SEGA characters as they'd act because it'd contradict the SatAM elements, having had to been forced to add a bit of whimsy and lightheartedness back otherwise we'd still be mired in political drama, and just overall making a fun children's comic that in no way is indication of how the games should be written at all, judging by both how he treats the games' material and the material he creates himself.

To be fair, I think Chip is going to be teaming up with Sonic after this arc is done, if some of the covers they've shown have anything to indicate.

[Dr. Corndog]

Tiller, on 05 March 2015 - 04:10 PM, said:

Just got the new issue.

Continues being the best the comic has been. As for continuity muddling, that's just the way Archie Sonic works. I've long since learned to accept it is its own beast. A few twists and turns to tie together a ton of Sonic concepts from multiple incarnations isn't a horrible thing in my eyes. A lot of my enjoyment comes from watching all sort of little dots from completely inconsistent and mostly shitty Sonic canon connect themselves in a new way. But that's just me. />

It's kind of hard not to change the continuity a bit when you've got a twenty-year run to to build off of in a comic that originally began as a mish-mash of at least three different sources (with the actual games probably influencing the comics the least). Ian's a good storyteller, and certainly the best writer I've ever read in this comic. Besides, who wants to see the exact same story that we've already gotten in the games repeated in print form, especially when the games' stories usually aren't that good to begin with?

[Polish Pete]

Dr. Corndog, on 07 March 2015 - 03:59 PM, said:

Tiller, on 05 March 2015 - 04:10 PM, said:

Just got the new issue.

Continues being the best the comic has been. As for continuity muddling, that's just the way Archie Sonic works. I've long since learned to accept it is its own beast. A few twists and turns to tie together a ton of Sonic concepts from multiple incarnations isn't a horrible thing in my eyes. A lot of my enjoyment comes from watching all sort of little dots from completely inconsistent and mostly shitty Sonic canon connect themselves in a new way. But that's just me. />/>

It's kind of hard not to change the continuity a bit when you've got a twenty-year run to to build off of in a comic that originally began as a mish-mash of at least three different sources (with the actual games probably influencing the comics the least). Ian's a good storyteller, and certainly the best writer I've ever read in this comic. Besides, who wants to see the exact same story that we've already gotten in the games repeated in print form, especially when the games' stories usually aren't that good to begin with?

I've said this before, I think SEGA is REALLY lucky to have someone like Flynn to work on stories of their games. Makes you wish the game developers themselves could top the quality bar that Ian is setting in storytelling, but they almost never seem to get there. They may TRY to tell a nice story from time to time, sure, but in the end, it just falls apart. And here I'm asking myself, wouldn't it be better if Sonic Team could just team up with Ian and let him handle all the storytelling, flesh out all the characters' personalities more, let him do some worldbuilding for the games and do anything to avoid plot holes and continuity errors in the games? Not only does he have experience in storywriting but, unlike Pontac and Graff, he actually KNOWS the characters very well from top to bottom and he CARES about them.

[BlackHole]

Not to mention Flynn does his research. When the Mega Man comic was starting, he said he read the wiki and watched game-play videos online.

[Polish Pete]

BlackHole, on 07 March 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

Not to mention Flynn does his research. When the Mega Man comic was starting, he said he read the wiki and watched game-play videos online.

Exactly! Research is important. Especially nowadays when you're writing about a franchise that's been around for almost 25 years!

I, for example, became a Sonic fan around Summer of 2013. It started with the Nostalgia Critic's review of AoStH, then I devoted the entire next year to watching every episode of every Sonic cartoon (including shorts and specials), reading every existing issue of Archie Sonic and watching gameplay footage of every Sonic game and eventually trying out some games using emulators and whatnot (Thank you, Internet.). I did all that despite the fact that I'm in college right now, but I regret nothing (except for wasting time on Ken Penders' stories, but oh well, at least now I know how bad they are, same for Sonic Underground).

This post has been edited by Polish Pete: 07 March 2015 - 06:32 PM

[Donnie Paradox]

I wouldn't say Ian's writing is the best the franchise has ever had but in my opinion it is certainly the best the franchise has right now.

This post has been edited by Donnie Paradox: 07 March 2015 - 07:51 PM

[BlackHole]

I say it's the best the Archie series has had. I'd rather not clump all the media into one group, on the grounds that each requires it's own style of writing so can't really be compared without some disadvantage to one medium.

[Tiller]

Tracy does really fun character banter and was responsible for some of the fun Universe arcs everyone likes. But man could you tell things were off when they let someone else do that Rotor sidestory about the Sky Patrol a little while back. Tracy and Ian have been on the comic for an unprecedented amount of time.

[Dr. Corndog]

Tiller, on 07 March 2015 - 09:30 PM, said:

Tracy does really fun character banter and was responsible for some of the fun Universe arcs everyone likes. But man could you tell things were off when they let someone else do that Rotor sidestory about the Sky Patrol a little while back. Tracy and Ian have been on the comic for an unprecedented amount of time.

I really enjoyed the "Pirate Plunder Panic" arc because of its emphasis on humor above all else. "Shadow Fall," thought, I thought was pretty dull.

[BlackHole]

Was that 'Lost Hedgehog Tales' released yet, might I ask? I recall mention of it possibly being out by the end of the year, but no one's really been talking about it here and I'm not sure where to go looking.

This post has been edited by BlackHole: 08 March 2015 - 08:09 AM

[The KKM]

Dark Sonic, on 07 March 2015 - 01:44 PM, said:

The KKM, on 07 March 2015 - 12:17 PM, said:

The point is, sorry, but I'm not gonna take "oh he can write the games' stories so much better he should be writing the games!" when he keeps infusing the comic with unneeded drama, removing the character moments from SEGASonic characters (hey remember how everyone complains SEGA doesn't let Sonic have more emotional moments? Thank god we're going to have the story about him connecting and showing the world to chip! Wait never mind he's giving all the character moments to Knuckles instead), refusing to write the SEGA characters as they'd act because it'd contradict the SatAM elements, having had to been forced to add a bit of whimsy and lightheartedness back otherwise we'd still be mired in political drama, and just overall making a fun children's comic that in no way is indication of how the games should be written at all, judging by both how he treats the games' material and the material he creates himself.

To be fair, I think Chip is going to be teaming up with Sonic after this arc is done, if some of the covers they've shown have anything to indicate.

Sure, but by then the beginning character moments of Sonic feeling responsible for Chip's amnesia, Chip attaching to him since he's the first person he saw, Sonic naming Chip after Chip's love for a local icecream (representing a first step into Chip's love for the Earth's cultures, not just gluttony. Fuck him remembering chocolate chip cookies out of nowhere) are all gone.

Not to mention having Tikal spill the beans already that Chip is Light Gaia. Kinda ruining Chip's arc there.

And Ian'll get praised for it while people complain SEGA don't let Sonic have character moments.

@Blackhole- Lost Hedgehog Tales is constantly delayed. Ian's said by this point next time he talks about it it's done, instead of constantly giving deadlines and breaking them.

This post has been edited by The KKM: 08 March 2015 - 09:40 AM

[Dr. Corndog]

I wonder, how many of the Sonic fans who praise Ian also read the Mega Man comic? Because as much as I enjoy Ian's work with Sonic, my greatest respect for him really comes from his work with Mega Man. I wonder how many people allow their respect for his work there to sort of bleed over into their opinions of Ian's work with Sonic?

Again, I definitely enjoy what he's done with the Sonic comic, but I think maybe the level of praise he gets may be more for Mega Man.

[Dark Sonic]

I really respect what Ian can do with the Sonic comics because of the fact that Sonic's background has almost 0 continuity in it. Even simple things like how the world looks makes absolutely no sense in Sonic land. How he managed to combine Sonic 2 SMS, Sonic Heroes, AoSTH, Sonic the Fighters, and Sonic Unleashed into an arc that actually makes some sense is pretty damn impressive if you ask me (Seriously that AoSTH and Sonic 2 SMS combo is genius). While his Megaman work is certainly impressive, the subject matter I feel like is not as difficult to write about as from a continuity stand point. Megaman 1 - 10 makes sense. Sonic falls apart after Sonic 3K.

Come to think of it, isn't the "plot" of Sonic R supposedly that the victor got a Chaos Emerald? Ian are you reading this? Make it so, I want to see a Sonic R arc.

This post has been edited by Dark Sonic: 08 March 2015 - 01:10 PM

[BlackHole]

Do you think that'll be how it works now? The SatAM stories are melded into the Mega Drive games and the AoStH stories are melded into the Master System games?