[BlackHole]

Cyberguy, on 03 March 2015 - 08:21 PM, said:

That may be my favorite part of how the comics have been going lately. If it's a part of Sonic's history, it's fair game. It's like Generations never stopped.

Except for Sonic Underground, Sonic the Hedgehog the Movie and Sonic X, El Gran Gordo cameo not withstanding as the Off Panels always seem to avoid legalities for whatever reason.

[Cyberguy]

BlackHole, on 03 March 2015 - 08:25 PM, said:

Except for Sonic Underground, Sonic the Hedgehog the Movie and Sonic X, El Gran Gordo cameo not withstanding as the Off Panels always seem to avoid legalities for whatever reason.

I was including Off Panel in that game of fairness. And it probably sneaks through due to parody.

This post has been edited by Cyberguy: 03 March 2015 - 08:50 PM

[BlackHole]

Ah, well in that case everything seems to be fair game then, yeah.

[Dark Sonic]

BlackHole, on 03 March 2015 - 08:50 PM, said:

Ah, well in that case everything seems to be fair game then, yeah.

Most likely they allow minor references here and there and say flock it for the off panel since it's just for lulz. So Mama Robotnik reigns supreme.

[Donnie Paradox]

I really love how Archie never leaves a stone unturned in the Sonic universe. Everything gets a cameo, everything gets some kind of explanation, and nowadays everything tends to be beautifully written as well. I'm still amazed Breezie has showed up in the comics.

[Polish Pete]

Donnie Paradox, on 03 March 2015 - 09:17 PM, said:

I really love how Archie never leaves a stone unturned in the Sonic universe. Everything gets a cameo, everything gets some kind of explanation, and nowadays everything tends to be beautifully written as well. I'm still amazed Breezie has showed up in the comics.

If only we could say the same about Sonic Team and their, ahem!, attempts at storywriting. Obviously, they have no idea how to utilize all the characters or how to keep them consistent, or how not to make them look like complete psychos, selfish jerks and idiots for that matter! The characters now are just standing in the background being useless, while Sonic gets all the (sometimes unwanted) focus. Details are definitely not their cup of tea, as proven by many plotholes seen throughout the series. They simply don't care about a cohesive, well-written and consistent story/continuity as much as Ian. They could at least take some notes from the writers of the Sonic Boom cartoon (another great example of how stories should be done).

Now for example what I think of Amy:
Ever since SA2, I couldn't stand Amy. She was annoying, one-note and hardly likable. I understand that SA2 tried to follow up on what was already established about her in CD, SA1 and Shuffle, but honestly, that wasn't very much. And every game afterwards (handhelds included, plus Sonic X), no effort whatsoever. All she did was chasing after Sonic. All she could talk about was going on a date with Sonic. The only known trait of her character was that she loves Sonic. Nothing else. (Character development? What's that?) Of course, there were about two instances where that was pushed aside simply because of the bigger focus on the game's plot (Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity). But to be fair, in Sonic Lost World she didn't feel all that annoying anymore (even though she did absolutely nothing), but that's only because Pontac and Graff were given more input in the story than before, but even then, and I understand, if you're gonna hate me for saying this but even a lousy writer such as Ken Penders did more interesting stuff with Amy than anyone from Sonic Team ever did after SA1. There, I said it! And speaking of, the only medium where I could actually like Amy was probably only in the Archie comics, at least until Sonic Boom came along and showed me a completely revamped Amy Rose with her personality being almost a complete 180 of what I thought about her so far. Right now, Boom Amy is my favorite incarnation of that character, with Archie Amy being a close second.

[The KKM]

Considering that Ian's ravaging one of the best stories Sonic Team did in the name of that "cohesive continuity", I'd rather they not take any cues from him, no. Keep the stories simple and using only two or three characters if that's all the story needs. Archie Amy is also pretty explicitly all built from materials in the games, where her personality is established in Adventure, Battle, even (ugh) 06.

It's easy to say Archie writes better if all I'm doing with the games is going LALALALALA I WON'T PAY ATTENTION

This post has been edited by The KKM: 04 March 2015 - 09:34 AM

[Adamis]

He's not ravaging it, stop passing your dislike for the adaptation for a fact. You've discussed it for ages on SSMB, being stubborn in your point of view and even being quite unpleasant towards other people.

[Cyberguy]

The KKM, on 04 March 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

Considering that Ian's ravaging one of the best stories Sonic Team did in the name of that "cohesive continuity", I'd rather they not take any cues from him, no. Keep the stories simple and using only two or three characters if that's all the story needs. Archie Amy is also pretty explicitly all built from materials in the games, where her personality is established in Adventure, Battle, even (ugh) 06.

It's easy to say Archie writes better if all I'm doing with the games is going LALALALALA I WON'T PAY ATTENTION

Sonic Heroes? Sonic Unleashed? Sonic the Fighters?

None of these scream "Best stories" to me. Unleashed had some moments, but overall, it was pretty cheesy stuff, especially Chip. I really like him and Knuckles together a lot more then him and Sonic. They've got chemistry (And not the romantic kind.) They're both looking for something, they're both connected to ancient forces, and Chip actively helps Knuckles on his mission, as opposed to playing Omochao Expositor for Sonic until the climax.

[RenyNoise]

Wasn't Knuckles supposed to be in Unleashed anyway. I remember Sega straight up saying him and Shadow were gonna be playable.

[Adamis]

I think they just said they were going to be part of the story, I don't remember them saying they'd be playable.

[TheKazeblade]

I consider what Flynn does being comparable to Tarantino's homages to existing film genres and tropes. He remixes the elements that already exist in new ways that pay respect to the source material, but the concoction becomes an entirely new compound; the fact the he creates consistency within it shows his insane talent and passion for the series. Compare that to the game writers who can't create tonal consistency within the same game, much less several. Not to mention the fact he oversees and almost single-handedly writes four ongoing series simultaneously.

Basically, Flynn writes circles around literally everyone who has ever written for the series in any capacity; games or otherwise. If people don't like the direction the comics are taking, that's completely down to personal taste, as I believe at this point he has more than proven his ability. If he were given the opportunity and freedom to write what he wished for a plot for a Sonic game, it would probably be the best representation of story since the series introduced cinematic cutscenes.

Yeah, that got a little fanboy-y. Doesn't disrupt my point. The Archie comics are the highpoint of the entire franchise right now; they've even made probably the best iteration of the Sonic Boom Universe as well (I'd actually put it above the cartoon).

This post has been edited by TheKazeblade: 04 March 2015 - 05:53 PM

[RankoChan]

I'm shocked at seeing Nina there, specifically her Breath of Fire III incarnation! Too bad Sony only put IV up on PSN due to III receiving a PSP portI; It's my absolute favorite JRPG of all time. Seeing more Okami content is always great too.

Gonna have to grab this crossover special now once it releases just to see how things play out.

[Lanzer]

The KKM, on 04 March 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

Considering that Ian's ravaging one of the best stories Sonic Team did in the name of that "cohesive continuity", I'd rather they not take any cues from him, no. Keep the stories simple and using only two or three characters if that's all the story needs. Archie Amy is also pretty explicitly all built from materials in the games, where her personality is established in Adventure, Battle, even (ugh) 06.

It's easy to say Archie writes better if all I'm doing with the games is going LALALALALA I WON'T PAY ATTENTION

Please stop, I saw 5 pages of this at SSMB I don't need to see this here. we get your point, we don't agree with it but we get it.

This post has been edited by Lanzer: 04 March 2015 - 11:14 PM

[Tiller]

Just got the new issue.

Continues being the best the comic has been. As for continuity muddling, that's just the way Archie Sonic works. I've long since learned to accept it is its own beast. A few twists and turns to tie together a ton of Sonic concepts from multiple incarnations isn't a horrible thing in my eyes. A lot of my enjoyment comes from watching all sort of little dots from completely inconsistent and mostly shitty Sonic canon connect themselves in a new way. But that's just me.