[Glisp]

You can download all but two of them here: http://forums.hidden-palace.org/viewtopic.php?t=2880
Please upload them onto a private server as soon as possible if you can.
The prototypes are as follows:
Fatal Fury Special
Black Hole Assault
Shining Force CD
Virtua Fighter Remix
Johnny Mnemonic (Unreleased Sega CD port Disk 1. Not uploaded yet but dumped)
Johnny Mnemonic (Unreleased Sega CD port Disk 2. Not uploaded yet but dumped.)

Most of these betas aside from the Johnny Mnemonic betas are very close to their final versions.

btw, here's a couple of pictures to prove I'm not bull shitting you.




For those of you who have been on the IRC and Hidden-palace, you already know about this. For those who don't here you go.

This post has been edited by Glisp: 29 April 2010 - 11:17 AM

[Bobinator]

Can you get the Johnny Mnemonic proto running and post about what's on it? I remember watching a video review on the final version for PC on this one site, and it looked pretty terrible, yet entertaining. I'm not sure what you could exactly compare to if you didn't have the final version, though.

[Glisp]

Yeah, sure. Why not? I'll post a couple of screenshots. It seems like I'm having issues dumping the ROMs though. They are playable but the video quality looks exceedingly worse than on actual hardware.

Edit: okay, here are a couple of Johnny Mnemonic screenshots:





Please note that I can't get past the second chapter on Disk 1. The subway train keeps killing me.

This post has been edited by Glisp: 29 April 2010 - 02:19 PM

[Overlord]

Impressive. eBay wins for obscure shit yet again. =P

[OKei]

Those discs look like they've gone through quite a lot of hands. Which is probably true.

Great job, Glisp.

[Glisp]

I can insure you that they won't be going through any other hands after this. Once I get something, I have a tendancy to hold onto it. I think I might be a bit of a pack rat.

[OKei]

I can insure you that they won't be going through any other hands after this. Once I get something, I have a tendancy to hold onto it. I think I might be a bit of a pack rat.

Hey, I'm not bothered by that. Just commenting how scratched and used those discs look.

Would you be willing to disclose the amount paid for the discs? Just curious.

[Glisp]

I can insure you that they won't be going through any other hands after this. Once I get something, I have a tendancy to hold onto it. I think I might be a bit of a pack rat.

Hey, I'm not bothered by that. Just commenting how scratched and used those discs look.

Would you be willing to disclose the amount paid for the discs? Just curious.

All of them together were $273.76 US +$12.00 US S/A.

They aren't actually scratched per say. The disc cases just make it look so. It's actually the disc cases that are scratched. The VF Remix is the blank disc btw. (the one without writing on it.)

[Mad Echidna]

Glisp dumped 6 prototypes. That's as many as six ones. And that's terrible.

[ICEknight]

Awesome stuff.

It would be even better if 1:1 dumps of them could be made, for preservation.

[Meat Miracle]

Awesome stuff.

It would be even better if 1:1 dumps of them could be made, for preservation.

No. Redump is the troll tier of game dumping. And their 1:1 ripping method will become worthless pretty soon.

If you rip these games properly with cdrwin into bin/cue, I'll host it/torrent it anywhere you want. PM me if you've no clue what this means. And for gods sake, keep away from the viral bullshit of redump.org.



edit: Virtua Fighter Remix is identical to the USA final version. You probably ended up with a sampler they sent for gaming mags (they often sent retail versions).

This post has been edited by Meat Miracle: 07 May 2010 - 06:26 PM

[ICEknight]

No. Redump is the troll tier of game dumping. And their 1:1 ripping method will become worthless pretty soon.

If you rip these games properly with cdrwin into bin/cue, I'll host it/torrent it anywhere you want. PM me if you've no clue what this means. And for gods sake, keep away from the viral bullshit of redump.org.

If their images can be turned back into a 100% identical copy of the original, you'd think they're doing something right... Could you please elaborate so we'll know why to stay away from their dumping methods?


I'm just curious, as I first heard of that site last month, and it seemed like a good project to me.

[DigitalDuck]

Surely you'd be left with a more accurate rip if you repeated a rip until you got two identical copies, rather than all the faffing about redump does?

[Meat Miracle]

Surely you'd be left with a more accurate rip if you repeated a rip until you got two identical copies, rather than all the faffing about redump does?

Personally I go for 3 minimum. Especially if I have to rerip numerous times. Then crosscheck the audio with EAC, just in case (though this isn't necessary on my drive after 3+ crc matches, I do it anyway because I like sticking to some kind of quality standard).

If their images can be turned back into a 100% identical copy of the original, you'd think they're doing something right... Could you please elaborate so we'll know why to stay away from their dumping methods?


I'm just curious, as I first heard of that site last month, and it seemed like a good project to me.

You can't burn back 100% identical copies as no burner app supports mixed mode data + audio offset correction.

For Redump, it's hard to explain without 1. it sounding like a rant and 2. their hyperactive OCD admins jumping in two posts later to debunk me on a per-sentence basis.

The gist of it is that they use mostly the same method as Toseciso, except that they take an EAC bug into account, and pepper it with a looooot of bullshit. And they accept and publish single entries, which means that much of their database is unverified and possibly junk. There are some more serious controversies and rumors, but I won't go into that.

Personally I mostly hate their extremely disrespectful smug attitude, nearly nonsensical but at the very least impractical organization (a redump rip has every track in BIN - even audio!, the data track compressed with ECM then 7z, and audio in APE), and their general shortsightedness. Most of those could be fixed by a change in administration, since their concept itself is good, the place is just run by idiots.



Either way, it doesn't matter, as their ripping method will be practically obsolete once toseciso updates. So if you want to jump into 1:1 copies, you should be patient for a little while. Until then, cdrwin bincue, when properly prepared, is perfectly suitable for Sega CD and Saturn games.

edit: oh yeah, and if you can't get cdrwin working, try Imgburn, as long as you don't have multiple data tracks it should work fine. But, for fucks sake, do not rip bincue with Alcohol.

This post has been edited by Meat Miracle: 08 May 2010 - 09:26 AM

[ICEknight]

The gist of it is that they use mostly the same method as Toseciso, except that they take an EAC bug into account, and pepper it with a looooot of bullshit.

Either way, it doesn't matter, as their ripping method will be practically obsolete once toseciso updates. So if you want to jump into 1:1 copies, you should be patient for a little while.

After reading this, I'm still wondering what does the "Tosec method" do that Redump's doesn't... What's that EAC bug about, and how will Tosec get better images because of this?

This post has been edited by ICEknight: 08 May 2010 - 11:26 AM