[Chilly Willy]

Thanks. In the meantime, I was playing it in Kega. I keep forgetting that jumping doesn't protect you against bad guys, so I kept losing rings by jumping into bad guys.

The one thing I miss is the speed dash, but that's not what this character is about. I need to relearn the game as this isn't Sonic, it's Amy.

It's a lot of fun!

You mean the spin dash, well that wasn't in Sonic 1 anyway.

In Advance 2 and 3 she had a peel out/upward dash in place of it though. I could retool a spin dash code and implement that instead of her leap move (admitedly I thought it was more affective than the latter anyway, in Advance 1 she had weaknesses in both attack and accelleration which made her a dud in race mode).

Yeah, spin dash... super peel out like Sonic CD would work. Not really necessary, but something to consider if you want to add something later.

[DigitalDuck]

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Define 'simple'.

Hey, if you record your keystrokes somehow, I'll do my best at converting them to a demo. No promises, though.

[Lanzer]

Thanks. In the meantime, I was playing it in Kega. I keep forgetting that jumping doesn't protect you against bad guys, so I kept losing rings by jumping into bad guys.

The one thing I miss is the speed dash, but that's not what this character is about. I need to relearn the game as this isn't Sonic, it's Amy.

It's a lot of fun!

You mean the spin dash, well that wasn't in Sonic 1 anyway.

In Advance 2 and 3 she had a peel out/upward dash in place of it though. I could retool a spin dash code and implement that instead of her leap move (admitedly I thought it was more affective than the latter anyway, in Advance 1 she had weaknesses in both attack and accelleration which made her a dud in race mode).

Yeah, spin dash... super peel out like Sonic CD would work. Not really necessary, but something to consider if you want to add something later.

http://splicd.com/v674s87qvY8/47/55

Amy's peel-out in SADV2 is sort of like the super peel-out.

[tokumaru]

Define 'simple'.

Heh, I'll try to give you as many details as I can, but I'm not familiar with the movie/demo formats myself. =)

From a quick search it seems that Gens movies are pretty simple (fixed number of bytes per frame, each bit corresponds to a button). I can't seem to find any documentation about the format used by the game, but from looking at the data in the disassembly (the files in the "demodata" folder) it appears to be a series of pairs of bytes, the first representing the pressed keys and the second indicating for how long those same keys are pressed (basic RLE compression).

Assuming I'm correct about the formats, it would be trivial to use your programming language of choice to make a simple converter. Open the Gens file and start reading frame data from it. You'll only use data from the first controller, so just make sure the bits are in the correct places (I'm not sure if Gens and Sonic use the same bits for the same buttons, so you might have to swap the bits around) and output that key combination to the new demo file. Then keep reading the Gens movie to count how many frames that same combination remains, and once it changes output the count to the new demo file.

I've seen some durations as $00, so the game might interpret that as 1 and $FF as 256, which means you have to subtract one from the count before writing it to the file. It also means that if the same combination of keys remains for more than 256 frames you have to break it down into multiple keys-duration pairs until the whole duration is covered.

You might also have to do some trimming at the start, because it's very unlikely that the Gens movie will start at the exact same time as the demo should, so it's better to start the Gens movie earlier and programming your converter so that it skips "N" frames at the start of the movie, then you play with the value of "N" a bit until you find the exact point.

EDIT: If you want my honest opinion, if you know some 68000 it would be easier to have the game itself record the demos (there even seems to be a routine to do it in the ROM already), you wouldn't even have to worry about trimming the start of the movie.

This post has been edited by tokumaru: 02 March 2010 - 03:02 PM

[E-122-Psi]

I think I'll work on refining the gameplay and graphics before I start on stuff like the demos, Gens Movie looks interesting though, might be useful for presenting my projects later on as well.

Anyway, I've been trying to work on making the high jump code, however no effect so far. This is the ASM routine I currently have (put in the Md_Normal section):

CODE

; ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
; Subroutine allowing Sonic to high jump
; ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

; ||||||||||||||| S U B    R O U T    I N E |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

Sonic_HighJump:
        move.b    ($FFFFF603).w,d0; move the current button press to d0
        btst    #1,($FFFFF602).w; is Down button pressed?    
        beq.b    HJ_End; if not, return
        and.b    #$40,d0; get only button A
        cmp.b    #$40,d0; were A pressed?
        bne.s    HJ_End; if not, branch        
        tst.b    ($FFFFFFA8).w; was jumpdash flag set?        
        bne.w    HJ_End; if yes, branch        
        move.b    #$24,($FFFFFFA8).w; if not, set jumpdash flag
        move.b    #$23,$1C(a0); show hammer animation        
        move.w    #$A0,d0; set jumpdash sound        
        jsr    (PlaySound).l; play jumpdash sound        
        bclr    #4,$24(a0); clear double jump flag            
        move.w    #-$600,$12(a0); set normal jumpdash speed        
        tst.b    ($FFFFFE2E).w; do you have speed shoes?        
        beq.s    HJ_ChkUW; if not, branch        
        move.w    #-$600,$12(a0); set speed shoes jumpdash speed

HJ_ChkUW:        
        btst    #6,$24(a0); is Sonic underwater?        
        beq.s    HJ_ChkDirection; if not, branch        
        move.w    #-$400,d0; set underwater jumpdash speed

HJ_ChkDirection:        
        btst    #0,$24(a0); is sonic facing left?        
        beq.s    HJ_Move; if yes, branch        
        neg.w    d0; if not, negate d0 (for jumping to the right)

HJ_Move:        
        move.w    #-$600,$12(a0); move sonic forward (y-velocity)        


HJ_End:        
        rts    ; return
; End of function Sonic_HighJump

It's modified from the jump dash code, however I used a different flag since the spinhammer uses it too.

All I get is a jump noise when pressing Down and A, suggesting it recognises the code at least (however it only does once on ground, I have to go off and on ground again for it to activate). Anyone got any ideas?

Since the leap code works in a similar manner (likely just a bit of a toggle with the vertical and horizontal directions) it would likely be a two-for-one-bonus if I get it to work.

This post has been edited by E-122-Psi: 02 March 2010 - 03:27 PM

[Dr. Kylstein]

I think "bset #1,$22(a0)" is what you're looking for. The X and Y velocities only work when the character is considered to be off the ground. Otherwise, only the "inertia" variable counts and the character moves according to the angle of the ground. Bit #1 in $22(a0) toggles this behavior. If that isn't enough to fix it, I suggest you examine the standard jumping code, which deals with the transition between ground and air.

[E-122-Psi]

I think "bset #1,$22(a0)" is what you're looking for. The X and Y velocities only work when the character is considered to be off the ground. Otherwise, only the "inertia" variable counts and the character moves according to the angle of the ground. Bit #1 in $22(a0) toggles this behavior. If that isn't enough to fix it, I suggest you examine the standard jumping code, which deals with the transition between ground and air.

It still isn't working but it does have some sort of effect than before, the move activates no matter how many times on ground, and makes the SPLIT second animation change and bump upward (if I move on a certain surface or reach a slope or curve, I can actually see the full animation but no movement upwards), so yeah, something in the Jump coding perhaps. Just wondering, am I supposed to use this piece of code as is or am I supposed to toggle it somehow, also is there a certain part of the code it has to go in (I put it before the jumpdash flag branch).

This post has been edited by E-122-Psi: 04 March 2010 - 04:02 PM

[Kiyo Hosokoawa]

Ok, I can't hold back...

DUDE-- AWESOME JOB WITH THE HACK!!! I'm going crazy with the game so bad right now-- I SWEAR I'm GEEKING OUT OVER IT!!!

Now for my Opinions:

Amy's custom sprites were done very well and you didn't waste any time in making a move set for her. Everything adds up to everything I was expecting to see in the hack, and well... I don't see any flaws in the game itself ((Aside from the Bugs of course: Score stuff, TM glitch, and of course my favorite: SHEER AWESOMENESS!!!)).

So, With that, I give you my score of your incredible hack in the ways of the X-play:

I give Amy in Sonic 1 Hack a Perfect 5 out of 5. ^^

Great Job Man.

[E-122-Psi]

Ok, I can't hold back...

DUDE-- AWESOME JOB WITH THE HACK!!! I'm going crazy with the game so bad right now-- I SWEAR I'm GEEKING OUT OVER IT!!!

Now for my Opinions:

Amy's custom sprites were done very well and you didn't waste any time in making a move set for her. Everything adds up to everything I was expecting to see in the hack, and well... I don't see any flaws in the game itself ((Aside from the Bugs of course: Score stuff, TM glitch, and of course my favorite: SHEER AWESOMENESS!!!)).

So, With that, I give you my score of your incredible hack in the ways of the X-play:

I give Amy in Sonic 1 Hack a Perfect 5 out of 5. ^^

Great Job Man.

Bugs? I assure you the pressence of any Looney Tunes is completely void in this game.

Anyway, I appreciate the comments (especially since you used one of your limited usage of posts on it). I'm busy fine-tuning some of the flaws, I'm actually still a bit stumped on the graphics ones you mentioned, out of interest has anyone had that TM glitch before, is it perhaps caused by lack of memory from either too many tiles or pieces (which usually takes up more memory)?

This post has been edited by E-122-Psi: 05 March 2010 - 11:42 AM

[Kiyo Hosokoawa]

I'm playing this on real hardware via flash cart. When you do the DOWN+A attack on an enemy, you get an address error. Actually, I got one on the plain hammer attack as well. Only if you actually kill an enemy. If you just use either attack, no error. The code for the last address error was $0001B3B4$FFFFFFEB.

Probably have some "death" animation on an odd boundary. That's pretty common in hacks where emulators are used for testing.

Not sure about the first one but $FFFFFFEB is the HammerSpin's flag address, it's basically a refined version of Selbi's jump dash code.

http://sonicresearch.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=972

I have to agree with you on this one here... I am also playing the game on real hardware Via Flash-Card DS and for some reason, I had no error thing... Same with my Wii... Neither Emulators seem to really pick up on any errors... I wonder if it could be the card he's using maybe?

Chilly Willy, If you're reading this, please let me know what type of card you're using and I'll do the research needed on it and get you the know-how on how to correct the Error you're getting.

Other than that, I'm surprised my card is still in good shape after going through so much hell...

Ok, I can't hold back...

DUDE-- AWESOME JOB WITH THE HACK!!! I'm going crazy with the game so bad right now-- I SWEAR I'm GEEKING OUT OVER IT!!!

Now for my Opinions:

Amy's custom sprites were done very well and you didn't waste any time in making a move set for her. Everything adds up to everything I was expecting to see in the hack, and well... I don't see any flaws in the game itself ((Aside from the Bugs of course: Score stuff, TM glitch, and of course my favorite: SHEER AWESOMENESS!!!)).

So, With that, I give you my score of your incredible hack in the ways of the X-play:

I give Amy in Sonic 1 Hack a Perfect 5 out of 5. ^^

Great Job Man.

Bugs? I assure you the pressence of any Looney Tunes is completely void in this game.

Anyway, I appreciate the comments (especially since you used one of your limited usage of posts on it). I'm busy fine-tuning some of the flaws, I'm actually still a bit stumped on the graphics ones you mentioned, out of interest has anyone had that TM glitch before, is it perhaps caused by lack of memory from either too many tiles or pieces (which usually takes up more memory)?

Well, Aside from my Limited posting, I'm using them mostly for giving my opinions on the Games, as well as Advice on the Game itself, and also for listing for bugs I may find in the games. ^^ As for YOUR Game, When I said "bugs"? I was being Dumb. XD

Of course there are no bugs in the game. It's very good. As for the TM Gltich, I have yet to figure out how to use ANY of the Editing programs I have to hack Games. yah... still clueless on how to use SonED(2) you know?

[E-122-Psi]

I'm playing this on real hardware via flash cart. When you do the DOWN+A attack on an enemy, you get an address error. Actually, I got one on the plain hammer attack as well. Only if you actually kill an enemy. If you just use either attack, no error. The code for the last address error was $0001B3B4$FFFFFFEB.

Probably have some "death" animation on an odd boundary. That's pretty common in hacks where emulators are used for testing.

Not sure about the first one but $FFFFFFEB is the HammerSpin's flag address, it's basically a refined version of Selbi's jump dash code.

http://sonicresearch.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=972

I have to agree with you on this one here... I am also playing the game on real hardware Via Flash-Card DS and for some reason, I had no error thing... Same with my Wii... Neither Emulators seem to really pick up on any errors... I wonder if it could be the card he's using maybe?

Chilly Willy, If you're reading this, please let me know what type of card you're using and I'll do the research needed on it and get you the know-how on how to correct the Error you're getting.

Other than that, I'm surprised my card is still in good shape after going through so much hell...

I recently tried the hack on a console emulator, a PS2 one that comes with the Action Replay. It freezes every time Amy hits something with her hammer attacks. That said since it's a little third party emulator and a bit dated now, it's not brilliant emulator anyway and freezes with a lot of games and hacks.

There ARE bugs in the game, my friend, there is no denying that. I hope to fix them, but it require some figuring out (a couple are fixed for the next Rev though, which I may release when I make a more valid showing of progress).

As for SonED, I have limited knowledge of it, since I barely edit the levels. There should be some guides on the site around here though:

http://info.sonicretro.org/Category:SCHG_How-tos

http://info.sonicretro.org/Category:Sonic_...y_Hacking_Guide

This post has been edited by E-122-Psi: 05 March 2010 - 11:58 AM

[Kiyo Hosokoawa]

I'm playing this on real hardware via flash cart. When you do the DOWN+A attack on an enemy, you get an address error. Actually, I got one on the plain hammer attack as well. Only if you actually kill an enemy. If you just use either attack, no error. The code for the last address error was $0001B3B4$FFFFFFEB.

Probably have some "death" animation on an odd boundary. That's pretty common in hacks where emulators are used for testing.

Not sure about the first one but $FFFFFFEB is the HammerSpin's flag address, it's basically a refined version of Selbi's jump dash code.

http://sonicresearch.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=972

I have to agree with you on this one here... I am also playing the game on real hardware Via Flash-Card DS and for some reason, I had no error thing... Same with my Wii... Neither Emulators seem to really pick up on any errors... I wonder if it could be the card he's using maybe?

Chilly Willy, If you're reading this, please let me know what type of card you're using and I'll do the research needed on it and get you the know-how on how to correct the Error you're getting.

Other than that, I'm surprised my card is still in good shape after going through so much hell...

I recently tried the hack on a console emulator, a PS2 one that comes with the Action Replay. It freezes every time Amy hits something with her hammer attacks. That said since it's a little third party emulator and a bit dated now, it's not brilliant emulator anyway and freezes with a lot of games and hacks.

There ARE bugs in the game, my friend, there is no denying that. I hope to fix them, but it require some figuring out (a couple are fixed for the next Rev though, which I may release when I make a more valid showing of progress).

As for SonED, I have limited knowledge of it, since I barely edit the levels. There should be some guides on the site around here though:

http://info.sonicretro.org/Category:SCHG_How-tos

http://info.sonicretro.org/Category:Sonic_...y_Hacking_Guide

Aha... The PS2 Emulator Homebrew Program isn't the best to play hacks considering it is indeed third party... However, I could recommend you try to re-write a version that is compatible specifically with certain emulators, you know?

And thanks for the How-To Lists. I'm still trying to figure it out.

[Chilly Willy]

I have to agree with you on this one here... I am also playing the game on real hardware Via Flash-Card DS and for some reason, I had no error thing... Same with my Wii... Neither Emulators seem to really pick up on any errors... I wonder if it could be the card he's using maybe?

Emulators usually ignore odd addresses for speed. Real hardware doesn't.

Chilly Willy, If you're reading this, please let me know what type of card you're using and I'll do the research needed on it and get you the know-how on how to correct the Error you're getting.

It's not the flash card, it's real hardware versus emulation. Most clones out right now are single-chip ARM systems running an emulator. Try it on a Genesis Model 1/2/3 or CDX or Nomad for real hardware. It's the same whether I use a Neo Myth or the MD-Pro.

[Kiyo Hosokoawa]

I have to agree with you on this one here... I am also playing the game on real hardware Via Flash-Card DS and for some reason, I had no error thing... Same with my Wii... Neither Emulators seem to really pick up on any errors... I wonder if it could be the card he's using maybe?

Emulators usually ignore odd addresses for speed. Real hardware doesn't.

Chilly Willy, If you're reading this, please let me know what type of card you're using and I'll do the research needed on it and get you the know-how on how to correct the Error you're getting.

It's not the flash card, it's real hardware versus emulation. Most clones out right now are single-chip ARM systems running an emulator. Try it on a Genesis Model 1/2/3 or CDX or Nomad for real hardware. It's the same whether I use a Neo Myth or the MD-Pro.

Aha... I see... So you're using actual GENESIS Hardware... Hmm... I'll do my research and see if it's possible to fix it.

[Bibin]

Hey, uh, I hope you don't mind, I started making a private sprite hack that puts the new amy's outfit in this - if it bothers you I'll keep it private :P