[Phos]

Ha, Yasuhara knows a surprising amount about the Sonic Scene.

And if you ask me, calling ARZ "Neo Green Hill" could have been done by pirates, the same guys who caused the Sega logo to display after beating the boss. But then Sonic Advance used that name for it's first zone (that looked nothing like Green Hill), so it could have been a working name (the corrupted title card doesn't speak of a real decision).

[Metal Man88]

(Posted a news post on the front page about this, by the way)

Neo Green Hill zone could simply be tied to the fact that, in the Nick Arcade Beta, they had Green Hill Zone itself in there. So perhaps they went to build a new version of it using the Sonic 2 engine alone... ...hence you get them nicknaming ARZ "Neo Green Hill Zone." I doubt it was a zone entirely separate from ARZ, mostly because it makes sense in front of that zone's name, rather than the weird and obviously placeholder name 'Dust Hill Zone' for a cave area. Even when it was believed that Dust Hill Zone wasn't a desert one, I simply thought it'd apply to some other prototype level. So I didn't really 'know it', but it was obvious they used it for... something.

[Rika Chou]

Phos, on Sep 13 2008, 10:46 PM, said:

Ha, Yasuhara knows a surprising amount about the Sonic Scene.

And if you ask me, calling ARZ "Neo Green Hill" could have been done by pirates, the same guys who caused the Sega logo to display after beating the boss. But then Sonic Advance used that name for it's first zone (that looked nothing like Green Hill), so it could have been a working name (the corrupted title card doesn't speak of a real decision).

Nope.

Besides other obvious reasons, that scan came from the Sega Gold Guide (or whatever it was called) and it was written by a former Sega of Europe employee who would have no reason to use a pirated rom to make the book.

Still, I wonder if this thing about the name dust hill is true or not. He could have easily done a google search for "Dust Hill Zone" and came up with the desert picture.

This post has been edited by Rika Chou: 13 September 2008 - 04:57 PM

[Puto]

[Quexinos]

Rika Chou, on Sep 13 2008, 04:54 PM, said:

Still, I wonder if this thing about the name dust hill is true or not. He could have easily done a google search for "Dust Hill Zone" and came up with the desert picture.

Here it comes

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No. Mystic Cave was never known to have a "Dust Hill" title card, only a level select entry.

http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?sho...=1967&st=15

Iceknight said otherwise here... hmmm

[ThunderPX]

Obviously Wetflame and Yasuhara are the same person.

[Phos]

Rika Chou, on Sep 13 2008, 04:54 PM, said:

Phos, on Sep 13 2008, 10:46 PM, said:

Ha, Yasuhara knows a surprising amount about the Sonic Scene.

And if you ask me, calling ARZ "Neo Green Hill" could have been done by pirates, the same guys who caused the Sega logo to display after beating the boss. But then Sonic Advance used that name for it's first zone (that looked nothing like Green Hill), so it could have been a working name (the corrupted title card doesn't speak of a real decision).

Nope.

Besides other obvious reasons, that scan came from the Sega Gold Guide (or whatever it was called) and it was written by a former Sega of Europe employee who would have no reason to use a pirated rom to make the book.

Oh, I thought that was from the beta.

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Still, I wonder if this thing about the name dust hill is true or not. He could have easily done a google search for "Dust Hill Zone" and came up with the desert picture.

If Yasuhara can't settle this dispute, who can?

[Wetflame]

Quexinos, on Sep 13 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

I love how everyone is going "I KNEW IT!"

Yeah, lol. It's not the first time a minority suddenly turns into a majority. It just goes to show how threads like the other one really surpress people's opinions.

Just to DOUBLY CONFIRM this would it be possible to show him the MCZ being called Dust Hill Zone and ask him how that happened?

[Quexinos]

If you google image search for Dust Hill you get a lot of things including Winter Zone and Sonic XG... I think he knew what he was talking about. The google search just would have confused him.

[Sik]

God, if you're going to keep arguing about this, then I'm just gonna pretend nothing of this happened and start thinking this topic should be locked >_> Seriously, I'm not going to try a chat with Yasuhara only to see if he's saying the truth or he just made a quick Google search. Now stop.

EDIT: agreed with Quexinos. And huge post clash o_O

This post has been edited by Sik: 13 September 2008 - 05:16 PM

[Wetflame]

Iceknight said:

They kept the name Dust Hill all the way through the development until the last beta versions, and they even programmed Mystic Cave's new-style title card to say "Dust Hill Zone", as they did with Neo Green Hill.

That means it wasn't just "a leftover from the desert", but the original title Mystic Cave was intended to have. If the name itself doesn't make sense, just blame the creative mind behind it...

Come to think of it, have we ever seen a title card with "Dust Hill Zone" on it?

[Rika Chou]

Phos, on Sep 13 2008, 11:11 PM, said:

Rika Chou, on Sep 13 2008, 04:54 PM, said:

Phos, on Sep 13 2008, 10:46 PM, said:

Ha, Yasuhara knows a surprising amount about the Sonic Scene.

And if you ask me, calling ARZ "Neo Green Hill" could have been done by pirates, the same guys who caused the Sega logo to display after beating the boss. But then Sonic Advance used that name for it's first zone (that looked nothing like Green Hill), so it could have been a working name (the corrupted title card doesn't speak of a real decision).

Nope.

Besides other obvious reasons, that scan came from the Sega Gold Guide (or whatever it was called) and it was written by a former Sega of Europe employee who would have no reason to use a pirated rom to make the book.

Oh, I thought that was from the beta.

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Still, I wonder if this thing about the name dust hill is true or not. He could have easily done a google search for "Dust Hill Zone" and came up with the desert picture.

If Yasuhara can't settle this dispute, who can?

I don't really care one way or another, I was just pointing out that he could have easily forgotten the name of the desert level, done a google search and saw the desert pictures.

Though with two devs telling use that Dust Hill = Desert Zone, maybe it is true? Who knows.

[Tweaker]

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Still, I wonder if this thing about the name dust hill is true or not. He could have easily done a google search for "Dust Hill Zone" and came up with the desert picture.

If Yasuhara can't settle this dispute, who can?

Well, Naka, of course... but if you keep attributing everything the developers say to bad memory and put more credence towards what you think the truth is, then you're never going to get the answers to what you want to know.

At this point, Dust Hill is a fitting and logically attributed name to the Desert Zone. We have confirmation from Yasuhara, who both described what "Dust Hill" meant in regards to Sonic 2's development and pointed out the Zone in a lineup. You can do the same with anyone else who would know this answer and you'd get the same results.

Honestly, it's not like we said "Dust Hill = Desert" throughout the whole questioning phase. Yasuhara has the capability to think, reason, and recall memory on his own. He's not stupid. Brenda Ross was obviously indifferent—she said that herself—but nowhere here did Yasuhara doubt his memory regarding this subject. This is solid confirmation.

Wetflame, on Sep 13 2008, 06:14 PM, said:

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They kept the name Dust Hill all the way through the development until the last beta versions, and they even programmed Mystic Cave's new-style title card to say "Dust Hill Zone", as they did with Neo Green Hill.

That means it wasn't just "a leftover from the desert", but the original title Mystic Cave was intended to have. If the name itself doesn't make sense, just blame the creative mind behind it...

Come to think of it, have we ever seen a title card with "Dust Hill Zone" on it?

No, we haven't. Though I think if Neo Green Hill had the potential to be mistakenly plastered over Aquatic Ruin (as you've mentioned), then it's entirely possible that Dust Hill could have been slapped over a Mystic Cave title card as well.

From Sep 13 2008, 06:14 PM:

God, if you're going to keep arguing about this, then I'm just gonna pretend nothing of this happened and start thinking this topic should be locked >_> Seriously, I'm not going to try a chat with Yasuhara only to see if he's saying the truth or he just made a quick Google search. Now stop.

Chill out, dude. Nobody is asking about more confirmation—there's no need for it. We're just having a discussion. =P

[Wetflame]

Also you seem to get as much Mystic Caves Zone pictures as Desert Zone when you google Dust Hill.

It's really amazing how much one man's theory overtook everything else.

[Quexinos]

In the earliest prototype I have that has title cards it says Mystic Cave despite being Dust Hill on the level select