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R2 - The Lost Level From Sonic CD What really happened...

#16 User is offline Hendricks 266 

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Yuji Naka had no involvement in Sonic CD.

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I agree with Master Emeralds' theories (though the reused art I'm not so sure about).

On the subject of theories, I'd like to throw in that I always thought the track "little planet" was supposed to be the music used for this R2 ruins level. It sounds very ruins-esque and is a very elaborate and long track for just the default music of the DA Garden.

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View PostMaster Emerald, on Jul 25 2008, 05:48 PM, said:

I don't know the reasons for why was R2 scrapped

But I do!

Jim Trethewey, on September 23, 2000 1:09:05 AM EDT, said:

>2) In Sonic CD, while porting it, were you ever aware, or did you ever hear
>anything of a possible \R2 directory? The current level structure jumps from
>R1 to R3, and R2, a long-lost missing level, is, of course, not there.

Kakuta-san explained to me the manner in which the games was developed: each level was "owned" (coded and debugged) by a single engineer, so there was a separate engineer for each level (they were in charge of all three "phases" of the level, "past", "present", and "future"). These engineers worked entirely in parallel and independently. Kakuta-san did the "framework" code to "hold all the levels together". He said the original (Genesis version) of the game was done the same way. I asked about the R2 level. Although not explicitly stated, my impression from him is that the designer of level R2 didn't do a very good job, so they left it out of the final product. It was never shipped in any form.

From Sonic CulT.

On a semi-related note, anybody got a copy of the OEM version of Sonic CD PC, with the DINO library files? It'd probably be interesting to pick those files apart, seeing as how it's essentially a port of the Genesis graphics system to the PC :thumbsup:

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View PostShade, on Jul 28 2008, 08:05 PM, said:

On the subject of theories, I'd like to throw in that I always thought the track "little planet" was supposed to be the music used for this R2 ruins level. It sounds very ruins-esque
...You mean, the track with the seagull noises?

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Who wants the dino directory? I'm proud to have the original legit copy of Sonic CD =)

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View PostHendricks 266, on Jul 29 2008, 01:06 AM, said:

Yuji Naka had no involvement in Sonic CD.


So THAT's why it's so good...

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View PostPhoebius, on Jul 30 2008, 01:18 PM, said:

View PostHendricks 266, on Jul 29 2008, 01:06 AM, said:

Yuji Naka had no involvement in Sonic CD.


So THAT's why it's so good...


What kind of involvement does Naka have with the current/upcoming games anyway, if any...

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None. I think the way things worked, he looked at development of Sonic 06 on one day, and then he decided to jump ship and form his own company.


Coincidence?

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View PostVangar, on Jul 30 2008, 03:12 AM, said:

Who wants the dino directory? I'm proud to have the original legit copy of Sonic CD =)

Me please!

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View PostVangar, on Jul 30 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

Who wants the dino directory? I'm proud to have the original legit copy of Sonic CD =)

Only one?

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View PostP.P.A., on Jul 31 2008, 10:56 AM, said:

View PostVangar, on Jul 30 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

Who wants the dino directory? I'm proud to have the original legit copy of Sonic CD =)

Only one?

Show off. =P

Oh well, you've got a few back up copies at the very least.

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R2 will always be a mystery to me. I firmly believe there was supposed to be a level there somewhere and it HAD to be scapped early.

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Surely everyone knows that R2 is Mercury Mine

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View Postdoc eggfan, on Jul 31 2008, 10:23 PM, said:

Surely everyone knows that R2 is Mercury Mine

R2 is "Super Sonic Galaxy", Using quantum interference to allow the Sega CD to be as powerful as a Next Gen system, Naka will program the R2 to be Sonic in a SMG esque game with more Sonic elements. I say "will", because it hasn't happened yet. When he does, we will no longer remember Sonic CD ever missing R2. Nintendo will be just a memory (Hey, it make more sense than Sonic 06).


But Seriously, the music track with the bird noises would work fine for a ruin level. I can tell you for sure that those are not seagulls.

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Erm... Those are fucking seagulls. Hvae you ever been near a seagul? I live near them, and that is %100 annoying ass seagul sound.

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