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Sonic Jam commentaries tell all~ tl;wr: Early GHZ proven, FBZ+ICZ, GCZ = MZ3. Craziness!

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So while we're on the subject of strategy guide info, I've had the official Sonic 3/Sonic CD US strategy guide for a while, and I've never seen anyone point out how odd the Sonic CD section of the guide is. It's poorly written and looks like most of the info comes from someone watching a video tape of the game, rather than playing it.

Anyways, aside from a few odd quotes (mentioning Game Genie codes for the sega CD... wtf? And claiming that the time egg capsules teleported you to other parts of the level) the only real odd part worth mentioning is that it's description of Metallic Madness Zone is extremely short and very odd. It's all of one page, and doesn't show anything from act 3. And, best of all, it claims that act 3 ends with you "fighting robosonic before Dr. Robotnik himself"

Now, I always thought the little room before the final fight in Sonic CD was odd - why have a seperate, locked room for 3 firefly badniks? If the guide holds any weight, I believe that would be the room where you'd refight Metal Sonic.

I'm scanning the page right now, so you'll have it to dissect in a bit.

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View PostVangar, on May 23 2008, 04:55 AM, said:

What the hell is going on here? We all had this information before... why is everyone so shocked to re-read this? I'm not going to bother searching topics but by all means go ahead and find that we already knew all of this. We already had strong indication that there were time zones and we already had a discussion about the Sonic Jam information, and led to the same conclusion. Did everyone get amnesia?

So I'm NOT the only one who sees it. Good... I thought I was going crazy. Yeah Flying Battery coming right after Carnival Night... man if you didn't know that by now...

I've been saying that for years. I've also been saying there was time travel in Sonic 2 in the beginning for years. I've been telling people that Sonic was to go Super in the Hidden Palace for months now. I guess I should just shut up and let you all enjoy this... but really the Cyber City thing is the ONLY thing that's new.

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QUOTE (Miles McCloud @ May 23 2008, 10:58 PM) [post="196728"]Posted Image

I posted this on Area 51 back in the day, but because it is not on the wiki I guess it fell through the cracks of the internet.[/quote]
Never seen that pic, very cool!

Not a digitizer though, looks like they're designing the boxart... I think anyway?

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QUOTE (Qjimbo @ May 23 2008, 03:08 PM) [post="196733"]Posted Image

I posted this on Area 51 back in the day, but because it is not on the wiki I guess it fell through the cracks of the internet.[/quote]
Never seen that pic, very cool!

Not a digitizer though, looks like they're designing the boxart... I think anyway?
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That looks pretty well like a sprite to me.

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QUOTE (Qjimbo @ May 23 2008, 02:08 PM) [post="196733"]Posted Image

I posted this on Area 51 back in the day, but because it is not on the wiki I guess it fell through the cracks of the internet.[/quote]
Never seen that pic, very cool!

Not a digitizer though, looks like they're designing the boxart... I think anyway?
[/quote]

I remember that pic.

I always assumed it was for designing advertisement art. It doesn't look like anything game related.

what's more interesting is the picture in the back. It looks kinda like CPZ's tileset with DEZ's background, but it's too fuzzy to make anything out.

EDIT: And I don't think it was a sprite. It looks like the same image of Sonic holding the CD with the tiny robotnik that try's to steal it/the angel.

Which I was never entirely sold on being in Sonic CD at all.
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I don't think anyones noticed this, but there were some sprites found in the NA prototype and posted on Sonic Cult. They were "Obviously a very early scrapped level", but I got to thinking that this could possibly be some peices to GCZ.

http://www.sonic-cult.org/dispart.php?cati...d=3&artid=2

Go down to the second to last picture. Looks a bit like a mechanical level, does it not?

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View PostCooljerk, on May 24 2008, 12:10 AM, said:

what's more interesting is the picture in the back. It looks kinda like CPZ's tileset with DEZ's background, but it's too fuzzy to make anything out.
My same exact thought.
That is DEZ's outer space in the background, but I can't tell more about the foreground...

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QUOTE (Miles McCloud @ May 23 2008, 10:58 PM) [post="196728"]Posted Image
I posted this on Area 51 back in the day, but because it is not on the wiki I guess it fell through the cracks of the internet.[/quote]We had already discussed that pic a while ago, and found out it was part of some weird promotional video or something similar, can't remember.

It might have been explained in the rest of the article.
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QUOTE (Cooljerk @ May 23 2008, 03:10 PM) [post="196735"]Posted Image

I posted this on Area 51 back in the day, but because it is not on the wiki I guess it fell through the cracks of the internet.[/quote]
Never seen that pic, very cool!

Not a digitizer though, looks like they're designing the boxart... I think anyway?
[/quote]

I remember that pic.

I always assumed it was for designing advertisement art. It doesn't look like anything game related.

what's more interesting is the picture in the back. It looks kinda like CPZ's tileset with DEZ's background, but it's too fuzzy to make anything out.

EDIT: And I don't think it was a sprite. It looks like the same image of Sonic holding the CD with the tiny robotnik that try's to steal it/the angel.

Which I was never entirely sold on being in Sonic CD at all.
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She's working on this here, from the other article about sonic 2 cd (on the wiki)

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QUOTE (ICEknight @ May 23 2008, 02:16 PM) [post="196738"]Posted Image
I posted this on Area 51 back in the day, but because it is not on the wiki I guess it fell through the cracks of the internet.[/quote]We had already discussed that pic a while ago, and found out it was part of some weird promotional video or something similar, can't remember.

It might have been explained in the rest of the article.
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Not to mention that, if that was some sort of sprite work, it'd be terrible.

Sonic is in an odd position and looks out of perspective.

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View PostQuexinos, on May 23 2008, 06:03 PM, said:

View PostVangar, on May 23 2008, 04:55 AM, said:

What the hell is going on here? We all had this information before... why is everyone so shocked to re-read this? I'm not going to bother searching topics but by all means go ahead and find that we already knew all of this. We already had strong indication that there were time zones and we already had a discussion about the Sonic Jam information, and led to the same conclusion. Did everyone get amnesia?

So I'm NOT the only one who sees it. Good... I thought I was going crazy. Yeah Flying Battery coming right after Carnival Night... man if you didn't know that by now...

I've been saying that for years. I've also been saying there was time travel in Sonic 2 in the beginning for years. I've been telling people that Sonic was to go Super in the Hidden Palace for months now. I guess I should just shut up and let you all enjoy this... but really the Cyber City thing is the ONLY thing that's new.

Right, I may as well say it:

Shut the fuck up.

If I see one more "OLD" post or something to that extent in this thread, I'm going to fucking flip. I don't fucking care if you knew about it, your mom knew about it, whoever the fuck knew it—this is not a gigantic cockfight to be the first person to deliver information. This is about revisiting; it's about discussion, it's about speculation, and it's about bringing new ideas and thoughts to the table. If you can do nothing but scream old all day like you have a big cock and because you knew everything, then get the hell out of this thread. We don't want you here.

Does it really take that much to show a bit of goddamn respect to people? I've been nothing but positive and encouraging for the past few weeks, and then you have to come in and dick things up in this thread. You're not offering anything new, so shut your mouth and go away. I'm not going to play this game.

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Please, post the article that was scanned from. That way we'll know exactly what's that about.

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Speaking of which... I wonder if the images of Sonic with the CD have any relationship to the angel statue in Wacky Workbench Zone (or is it Quartz Quadrant) that turns into Dr. Robotnik in the bad future. I mean, the only other angel we see is in those promo screenshot thingies.

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Seriously, it was already proven that this pic has nothing to do with either Sonic 2 or Sonic CD, I'm surprised nobody remembers that.

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QUOTE (Miles McCloud @ May 23 2008, 03:17 PM) [post="196739"]Posted Image

I posted this on Area 51 back in the day, but because it is not on the wiki I guess it fell through the cracks of the internet.[/quote]
Never seen that pic, very cool!

Not a digitizer though, looks like they're designing the boxart... I think anyway?
[/quote]

I remember that pic.

I always assumed it was for designing advertisement art. It doesn't look like anything game related.

what's more interesting is the picture in the back. It looks kinda like CPZ's tileset with DEZ's background, but it's too fuzzy to make anything out.

EDIT: And I don't think it was a sprite. It looks like the same image of Sonic holding the CD with the tiny robotnik that try's to steal it/the angel.

Which I was never entirely sold on being in Sonic CD at all.
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She's working on this here, from the other article about sonic 2 cd (on the wiki)

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It looks like his arm is definitely up. I think you mean this one:

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